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    None of this low band 5G stuff will work with the 5G Moto Mod, right. From the specs, it seems that it is for high band (UWB) only.

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    Sub-7 5G (I wish people would switch from the outdated term “sub-6,” because the advent of unlicensed 6 GHz Wi-Fi means there will also be 6 GHz 5G-LAA) does NOT have the same performance as LTE. It’s faster, just not dramatically so.

    5G’s spectral efficiency maxes out at 30 bits per hertz per second, but LTE Advanced maxes out at 15. https://www.telecompetitor.com/ctia-...iciency-gains/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesH View Post
    None of this low band 5G stuff will work with the 5G Moto Mod, right. From the specs, it seems that it is for high band (UWB) only.
    Yep. Not of the earlier stuff will work on low band. That's why people were warned not to be early adopters. People just dismissed the idea of lowband 5G because that was "years away" well here we are. Even phones that support sub-6( or sub 7 for Vvivian ) don't all support bands n77/n78 which will be important for C-band and the 3450-3550 MHz bands being auctioned next year and CBRS once it moves over to 5G use

    Quote Originally Posted by VVivian View Post
    Sub-7 5G (I wish people would switch from the outdated term “sub-6,” because the advent of unlicensed 6 GHz Wi-Fi means there will also be 6 GHz 5G-LAA) does NOT have the same performance as LTE. It’s faster, just not dramatically so.

    5G’s spectral efficiency maxes out at 30 bits per hertz per second, but LTE Advanced maxes out at 15. https://www.telecompetitor.com/ctia-...iciency-gains/
    sub-6 is just a name and using 6 GHz is years away anyway

    DSS does have performance hit so the 30 will be slightly less but still faster than LTE-A. Verizon an at&t were basically forced to do this because of T-Mobile's dumb decision to rolls out 5G over low band because they thought it would help win a court case.

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    I’m glad that the new iPhones all support C-Band, but I wonder why they don’t support CBRS. Was n48 not ready yet?

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    My experience with 5G on sub 6 has not been great. Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra here in Monterey Park, CA 91754 still tends to fallback to 4G LTE often. The signal is also weaker when the phone displays 5G. I don't believe 5G is on every cell site as of yet. The speeds have been slightly faster then 4G but not by much. Also when on BAND 13 5G won't connect. Seems to connect to 5G when phone is on Band 2 1900 Mhz & Band 66 AWS. The phone also seems to use more battery power while on 5G.

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    My experience so far is pretty good. I was not expecting it to be much better than a good 4G signal from what I had been told but I ran probably 30 different speed tests today and got 100 down, 30 up pretty much every time. 4G in this area on a good day would be 30 down, 15 up but most of the time would be around 20 and 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VVivian View Post
    I’m glad that the new iPhones all support C-Band, but I wonder why they don’t support CBRS. Was n48 not ready yet?
    They do support band 48. And Verizon won't be using CBRS for 5G for a while anyway. Band n77 covers CBRS. It also covers C-band and also covers the 3450-3550 MHz spectrum being auctioned off next year

    5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n25, n28, n38, n40, n41, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79)

    n77 TDD 3700 C-Band 3300 – 4200

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    Quote Originally Posted by powertoburn View Post
    My experience with 5G on sub 6 has not been great. Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra here in Monterey Park, CA 91754 still tends to fallback to 4G LTE often. The signal is also weaker when the phone displays 5G. I don't believe 5G is on every cell site as of yet. The speeds have been slightly faster then 4G but not by much. Also when on BAND 13 5G won't connect. Seems to connect to 5G when phone is on Band 2 1900 Mhz & Band 66 AWS. The phone also seems to use more battery power while on 5G.
    There isn't a n13 5G band. You can't be connected to band 13 and n5 at the same time

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    From what I understand there is a update to phones to allow 5g,will unlocked phones on Verizon's network get this update or are you out of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcltoys View Post
    From what I understand there is a update to phones to allow 5g,will unlocked phones on Verizon's network get this update or are you out of luck.
    No update is going to work unless the phone has the 5G hardware.

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    I understand that but if say I buy a Pixel 5 from google unlocked none Verizon version will it get Verizons update to use Their nationwide 5g network or will only Verizon branded phone get that update. I/ E dss

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    It has the 5G radio - would it need an upgrade to access those bands?

    https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=6319

    NR 5G
    band 1 / 2100 MHz IMT (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, Brazil, India, Israel)
    band 2 / 1900 MHz PCS (Americas)
    band 3 / 1800 MHz DCS (Europe, Asia, Africa)
    band 5 / 850 MHz Cellular (Americas, Oceania, Brazil, Israel)
    band 7 / 2600 MHz IMT-E (Canada, South America, Europe, Asia)
    band 8 / 900 MHz (Europe, Asia, Africa)
    band 12 / 700 MHz Lower 700 (USA)
    band 25 / 1900 MHz PCS+G (USA (T-Mobile))
    band 28 / 700 MHz APT (Oceana, Asia, Central America)
    band 41 / 2500 MHz BRS / EBS (USA (T-Mobile))
    band 66 / 1700 MHz AWS-3 (Americas)
    band 71 / 600 MHz 600 (USA (T-Mobile))
    band 78 / 3500 MHz C-Band
    band 258 / 26 GHz (global)
    band 260 / 39 GHz (global)
    band 261 / 28 GHz (North America)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcltoys View Post
    I understand that but if say I buy a Pixel 5 from google unlocked none Verizon version will it get Verizons update to use Their nationwide 5g network or will only Verizon branded phone get that update. I/ E dss
    Google Pixels, as long as the models are the same, should get support when updated with a Verizon SIM inserted. Google has pushed carrier "improvements" in updates in the past.
    I would think the Pixel 5 would be fine, the 4A 5G might be weird because that appears to have two distinct models in the US (UW-enabled variant for Verizon being one of them).

    Open market devices that are sold unlocked but aren't as universal as the iPhones and Pixels (OnePlus, some LG models, less common brands) may not get support unless they have a branded firmware or the OEM enables it for bands needed. This might also require Verizon to certify them, but I don't know that for sure.

    There's already discussions that Open Market OnePlus 8 series devices (not including the UW Verizon variant) don't have DSS enabled yet, even though they support all of Verizon's sub-6 5G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcltoys View Post
    I understand that but if say I buy a Pixel 5 from google unlocked none Verizon version will it get Verizons update to use Their nationwide 5g network or will only Verizon branded phone get that update. I/ E dss
    Those NR bands on the Pixel 5 should already be enabled and ready to run on Verizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offthegrid View Post
    It has the 5G radio - would it need an upgrade to access those bands?

    https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=6319

    NR 5G
    band 1 / 2100 MHz IMT (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, Brazil, India, Israel)
    band 2 / 1900 MHz PCS (Americas)
    band 3 / 1800 MHz DCS (Europe, Asia, Africa)
    band 5 / 850 MHz Cellular (Americas, Oceania, Brazil, Israel)
    band 7 / 2600 MHz IMT-E (Canada, South America, Europe, Asia)
    band 8 / 900 MHz (Europe, Asia, Africa)
    band 12 / 700 MHz Lower 700 (USA)
    band 25 / 1900 MHz PCS+G (USA (T-Mobile))
    band 28 / 700 MHz APT (Oceana, Asia, Central America)
    band 41 / 2500 MHz BRS / EBS (USA (T-Mobile))
    band 66 / 1700 MHz AWS-3 (Americas)
    band 71 / 600 MHz 600 (USA (T-Mobile))
    band 78 / 3500 MHz C-Band
    band 258 / 26 GHz (global)
    band 260 / 39 GHz (global)
    band 261 / 28 GHz (North America)
    260/261 no. the others yes. I believe you need a 5G SIM too.

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