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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    According to the 2H2019 Rootmetrics report AT&T was #1 in Speed with just 33.1 Mbps on average that was tested. So if what you say is true then AT&T must not have a lot of that fake 5Ge In the USA. That is slower than everyone 5G in the OpenSignal test on all 4 networks below. Note AT&T has not at this point of the test allowed anyone other that their corporate contracts to use their 5G mmWave networks. But their 5G low band was tested. Since Sprint 5G was tested at 183 Mbps that spectrum will be added to T-Mobile 5G soon that has over 200 million pops today.
    AT&T has a LOT of fake 5G all over the US. I got 460mbps on fake 5G on one of those mmWave 5G test sites at Warner Brothers. They must have had the backhaul and every band cranked up to the maximum. So you don't really need real 5G to see the benefits of those types of deployments, just like Verizon's small cells often provide 100mbps+ speeds today due to density, even though many are only using regular 4G LTE.

    The 2.5 spectrum will allow T-Mobile a far less capital intensive way to deploy some level of 5G. It won't be like Verizon's mmWave speed wise, but it will get deployed faster and with less capital. The big question is whether it has the capacity to do home internet in suburban and urban areas as well like Verizon mmWave 5G will.

    In these tests, average 5G download speeds from Verizon were 15 times faster than the slowest 5G offering

    Opensignal recorded the fastest average 5G download speed of 722.9 Mbps on Verizon’s 5G mmWave network, followed by T-Mobile’s mmWave with 243.1 Mbps, and Sprint at 183.0 Mbps on its 2.5 GHz 5G network in known locations where 5G was present. AT&T and T-Mobile’s low-band 5G networks clocked average download speeds of 59.3 Mbps and 47.5 Mbps respectively, confirming that the type of 5G service and the spectrum used for 5G has a major impact on the speeds a user will see.
    The mmWave 5G is the 1% of areas that are actually faster than today's 4G.

    mmWave 5G has a LOT of business potential, particularly for Verizon since they have to deploy a lot of 4G small cells anyway.

    59.3mbps on a totally unloaded network is pathetic, since that's only a small slice of n5. AT&T's LTE network totally unloaded with enough backhaul could do 400mbps+ in many markets.

    The point is that 5G is not ready for prime time, and many 4G networks are currently faster than 99% of the current 5G coverage. Low band 5G is a waste of spectrum, especially for T-Mobile with their limited amount of B71/n71. It's not so much of a hit for AT&T, since they have B5/12/14 in most markets, but that spectrum would still be better used by LTE.

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    T-Mo is in a very strong spectrum position here; the 600 is not a lot, but gives nice coverage. T-Mo's getting like 150mhz average of 2500mhz nationwide from this Sprint purchase, reportedly Sprint is running 20-60mhz of 2500 currently, so a lot of that 2500 is totally idle and ready for 5G. Having like 100mhz of empty spectrum to run 5G in will certainly give T-Mo a nice head start in sub6 5G speeds.

    As a VZW customer, here's hoping DSS (dynamic spectrum sharing) works well, VZW'll need it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    sigh

    You do realize At&t has been deploying lowband 5G since December. It's in something like 58 markets. Verizon is going to deploy low/mid band 5G later this year. These are well known common knowledge facts. I'm not sure if some people here are being obtuse on purpose or are actually obtuse
    Try not to be so rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoxFan76 View Post
    AT&T's decision to call their 4G LTE "5Ge" is completely indefensible. However, AT&T's completely fake 5G is significantly faster in 99% of the area it covers than anyone else's real 5G (including their own). 5G is not ready for prime time yet.
    AT&T is doing the same things it did when 4G was rolling out at the beginning of the 2010s. They marketed their 3G+ network as 4G. Even T-Mobile did similar marketing things with their 3G DC-HSDPA network (before they started to deploy LTE in 2013).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tritron7 View Post
    I am sure would be easier to use 600 mhz 2600 mhz ...
    RANT MODE ON ... why do otherwise intelligent people like to talk about milli things (cannot be Hertz as units named for people are capitalized ... maybe you mean MHz for MegaHertz?

    m is milli, .001 of the unit. M is Mega, 1,000,000 of the unit.

    RANT MODE OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwertz View Post
    T-Mo is in a very strong spectrum position here; the 600 is not a lot, but gives nice coverage. T-Mo's getting like 150mhz average of 2500mhz nationwide from this Sprint purchase, reportedly Sprint is running 20-60mhz of 2500 currently, so a lot of that 2500 is totally idle and ready for 5G. Having like 100mhz of empty spectrum to run 5G in will certainly give T-Mo a nice head start in sub6 5G speeds.

    As a VZW customer, here's hoping DSS (dynamic spectrum sharing) works well, VZW'll need it!
    Spectrum wise, T-Mobile's acquisition of Sprint is going to give them a serious leg up in terms of mobile download speeds in suburban/urban areas. The merger isn't going to lower mobile plan prices though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbynum View Post
    RANT MODE ON ... why do otherwise intelligent people like to talk about milli things (cannot be Hertz as units named for people are capitalized ... maybe you mean MHz for MegaHertz?

    m is milli, .001 of the unit. M is Mega, 1,000,000 of the unit.

    RANT MODE OVER
    I'm going to agree with your rant here. Capitalization of metric units is an important factor/consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compuguy View Post
    AT&T is doing the same things it did when 4G was rolling out at the beginning of the 2010s. They marketed their 3G+ network as 4G. Even T-Mobile did similar marketing things with their 3G DC-HSDPA network (before they started to deploy LTE in 2013).
    In one way, it's worse because AT&T pulled this one out of their derriere, whereas Fake 4G was pulled out of T-Mobile's derriere and copied by AT&T. On the other hand, Fake 4G wasn't as fast as real 4G, while Fake 5G is faster than the initial widespread rollouts of real 5G (obviously that will change over time with DSS or re-farming, CBRS, 2.5, etc, etc).

    Quote Originally Posted by compuguy View Post
    Spectrum wise, T-Mobile's acquisition of Sprint is going to give them a serious leg up in terms of mobile download speeds in suburban/urban areas. The merger isn't going to lower mobile plan prices though.....
    T-Mobile will have a LOT of bandwidth in the denser suburban areas where there are enough towers to really utilize 2.5. In dense downtown cores, mmWave and small cells will be the name of the game, and in the lower density burbs, it's all about 600/700/850/1700/1900. It's going to be interesting, that's for sure.

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