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    Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
    This is my view. mmWave will work in circumstances where you can get microcell coverage overlap from at least three directions. Really, all bands have their limitations. low-band is "rubbish" because there's not enough of it. Everything above 2 GHz is too short range. Mid-band is too congested. The solution is to have a mix of everything.
    I just don’t believe the networks are building out mmWave for people that can only use it outside, facing a nearby cell on a clear day with no obstacle like trees or trucks blocking the mmWave spectrum. What App on your phone needs that gigabytes speed? I think the networks are building out mmWave for their new business of Edge Computing. Also, mmWave will be used for fixed wireless home broadband internet with external antennas on your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I just don’t believe the networks are building out mmWave for people that can only use it outside, facing a nearby cell on a clear day with no obstacle like trees or trucks blocking the mmWave spectrum. What App on your phone needs that gigabytes speed? I think the networks are building out mmWave for their new business of Edge Computing. Also, mmWave will be used for fixed wireless home broadband internet with external antennas on your home.
    https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/22/v...ide-buildings/

    Here’s more evidence that mmW is “useless”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/22/v...ide-buildings/

    Here’s more evidence that mmW is “useless”
    I have already said mmWave could be good for backhaul or fixed wireless with external antennas which is what your link is talking about. I was talking about mmWave direct to your phone as Almost useless. However your article just showed me that people will have to pay for Boingo Wi-Fi on top of our monthly Cell phone bill to use that concept in your article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/22/v...ide-buildings/

    Here’s more evidence that mmW is “useless”
    Can't be true Saint Legere says it's not.

    Here's another indoor 5G mmwave article that is clearly "fake news" https://www.fiercewireless.com/wirel...off-mmwave-hbf

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I have already said mmWave could be good for backhaul or fixed wireless with external antennas which is what your link is talking about. I was talking about mmWave direct to your phone as Almost useless. However your article just showed me that people will have to pay for Boingo Wi-Fi on top of our monthly Cell phone bill to use that concept in your article.
    Youre absolutely wrong, Verizon customers will get to use the indoor mmW that’s deployed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    Youre absolutely wrong, Verizon customers will get to use the indoor mmW that’s deployed.
    Go back and watch the video that started this thread. The video showed that even a glass window blocks most of the mmWave signal. Even when he turned around his body greatly reduced the mmWave signal. Unless a house has a external antenna that converts the mmWave by wire into a Wi-Fi just like your Boingo article, mmWave won’t be useful for Mobile cell phones inside the home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I just don’t believe the networks are building out mmWave for people that can only use it outside, facing a nearby cell on a clear day with no obstacle like trees or trucks blocking the mmWave spectrum. What App on your phone needs that gigabytes speed? I think the networks are building out mmWave for their new business of Edge Computing. Also, mmWave will be used for fixed wireless home broadband internet with external antennas on your home.
    In certain settings it's possible to have microcells arranged all around so that the phone/device can connect to a microcell no matter how it's turned. Yes, it's not about me getting Gbps download. It's never about the individual getting outrageous speeds. It is about Joe Average being able to live stream himself, amongst thousands of other folks, at a bowl game or watching the ball drop in Times Square. And yes, it's also about fixed and semi-fixed wireless and other tech too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Go back and watch the video that started this thread. The video showed that even a glass window blocks most of the mmWave signal. Even when he turned around his body greatly reduced the mmWave signal. Unless a house has a external antenna that converts the mmWave by wire into a Wi-Fi just like your Boingo article, mmWave won’t be useful for Mobile cell phones inside the home.
    Verizon has 5G live INSIDE Columbus Airport. Since you’re an engineer though I refuse to argue about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    Verizon has 5G live INSIDE Columbus Airport. Since you’re an engineer though I refuse to argue about it.
    Got to love how some of them keep trying to dismiss mmwave because Verizon is doing it yet totally sidestep the fact that T-Mobile is also doing it. And they are not doing it just for backhaul or fixed wireless. Also this time next year when Verizon is also using low and id band on 5G what's the argument going to be then. While I want the T-Mobile/Sprint merger to happen if it doesn't the fact that their mid band 5G plans are completely F'ed and the haters will be totally devastated will make me smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I just don’t believe the networks are building out mmWave for people that can only use it outside, facing a nearby cell on a clear day with no obstacle like trees or trucks blocking the mmWave spectrum. What App on your phone needs that gigabytes speed? I think the networks are building out mmWave for their new business of Edge Computing. Also, mmWave will be used for fixed wireless home broadband internet with external antennas on your home.
    mmWave / 5G will be more useful for very high density areas, like union station, times square, convention centers, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by formercanuck View Post
    mmWave / 5G will be more useful for very high density areas, like union station, times square, convention centers, etc.
    I agree about NYC but it is a lot of huge building that will make mmWave very expensive to provide coverage on the street where mmWave even has a chance to work and pay for it’s cost. I live in a three county area in South Florida that has almost 6 Million people. With the exception of sports facilities and few other places, I sure don’t see any networks building out mmWave that covers even 15% of that population. Besides NYC is a pedestrian city and that is not very common in the US. There are few people in Florida the 3rd most populated state that aren’t in vehicles or buildings that block mmWave spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I agree about NYC but it is a lot of huge building that will make mmWave very expensive to provide coverage on the street where mmWave even has a chance to work and pay for it’s cost. I live in a three county area in South Florida that has almost 6 Million people. With the exception of sports facilities and few other places, I sure don’t see any networks building out mmWave that covers even 15% of that population. Besides NYC is a pedestrian city and that is not very common in the US. There are few people in Florida the 3rd most populated state that aren’t in vehicles or buildings that block mmWave spectrum.
    Do you have WiFi in Florida? From your description of Florida, it doesn't sound like WiFi would work there very well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by elecconnec View Post
    Do you have WiFi in Florida? From your description of Florida, it doesn't sound like WiFi would work there very well.
    You may want to compare the wave characteristics of typical WiFi spectrum at 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz to mmWave at 24GHz to 47 GHz before basing statements on such silly comparisons.

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    In general, I don't see a whole lot of good use 'yet' that wouldn't be expensive. I am in SoCal, and could see it at a few places being useful, but not most. Vegas Strip and Casinos would be good. Most places... 2.6GHz and lower.
    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    I agree about NYC but it is a lot of huge building that will make mmWave very expensive to provide coverage on the street where mmWave even has a chance to work and pay for it’s cost. I live in a three county area in South Florida that has almost 6 Million people. With the exception of sports facilities and few other places, I sure don’t see any networks building out mmWave that covers even 15% of that population. Besides NYC is a pedestrian city and that is not very common in the US. There are few people in Florida the 3rd most populated state that aren’t in vehicles or buildings that block mmWave spectrum.
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