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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    Oh I know what they can do but the haters will chime in with "mmwave only goes 200 feet and is blocked by rain". They have to justify their $1300 lowband 5G phones that makes their speeds go from 20 Mbps to 22 Mbps.

    I've seen an article where field tests in the 73 GHz range( which no one even uses ) going over 6 miles. The highest frequency to be used is the 47 GHz( 47.2-48.2 GHz ) that the FCC is currently auctioning off. And 48 GHz is still much lower than 73 GHz. And this was 3 years ago.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/...ve-rural-areas
    Great post. If you go on YouTube , some tests in Phoenix are hitting over 1 GBPS inside a car with windows closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    Oh I know what they can do but the haters will chime in with "mmwave only goes 200 feet and is blocked by rain". They have to justify their $1300 lowband 5G phones that makes their speeds go from 20 Mbps to 22 Mbps.

    I've seen an article where field tests in the 73 GHz range( which no one even uses ) going over 6 miles. The highest frequency to be used is the 47 GHz( 47.2-48.2 GHz ) that the FCC is currently auctioning off. And 48 GHz is still much lower than 73 GHz. And this was 3 years ago.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/...ve-rural-areas
    Very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    Great post. If you go on YouTube , some tests in Phoenix are hitting over 1 GBPS inside a car with windows closed.
    Well that's clearly a lie since John Legere and some guys on the T-Mobile forum said mmwave sucks.

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    I don't believe the "mmWave will never be nationwide" naysayers, btw. I think execs are just saying that to manage expectations. 2 km range makes it logical to deploy mmWave on ALL cell sites to boost speeds for users near them, just like how AT&T has been deploying Band 30 everywhere even though 2.5 GHz only creates relatively small higher-speed zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    Oh I know what they can do but the haters will chime in with "mmwave only goes 200 feet and is blocked by rain". They have to justify their $1300 lowband 5G phones that makes their speeds go from 20 Mbps to 22 Mbps.

    I've seen an article where field tests in the 73 GHz range( which no one even uses ) going over 6 miles. The highest frequency to be used is the 47 GHz( 47.2-48.2 GHz ) that the FCC is currently auctioning off. And 48 GHz is still much lower than 73 GHz. And this was 3 years ago.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/...ve-rural-areas
    In reality a good network will use multiple bands so mm wave will have its purpose but mid and low will also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcltoys View Post
    Wonder how 5g is doing in NY city tonight with the millions up there. Whoop's forgot only 5 people have 5g phone's.
    By the end of 2020 a large percentage of new phones will be completely 5G enabled. Both Qualcomm and Mediatek have chips that will enable 5G on mid level phones down to about $250. All new iphones in 2020 will be 5G enabled except for their new low cost iphone based on the SE or 8. So maybe 75% of all new phones will be 5G enabled by the end of the tear.

    By the end of 2021 all new phones sold will be 5G enabled.

    It'll take a few years but the same could be said for 4G. The fact that spectrum can be shared between the schemes which wasn't the case with 3G moving to 4G means a lot also. Carriers don't have to worry about splitting spectrum up as they go.

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    Verizon must be in on the newest FCC auctions, they are already seeking permission to test 37ghz.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/wirel...37-ghz-product

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    Quote Originally Posted by offthegrid View Post
    Verizon must be in on the newest FCC auctions, they are already seeking permission to test 37ghz.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/wirel...37-ghz-product
    Well since they already own a lot of 39 GHz it would make sense.

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    Fairly big money going down on the latest auction - already at $5.7 billion and its not over yet.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/regul...ume-path-to-6b

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    Quote Originally Posted by offthegrid View Post
    Fairly big money going down on the latest auction - already at $5.7 billion and its not over yet.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/regul...ume-path-to-6b
    Well there is huge caveat to this. All the current owners of 39 MHz spectrum get bidding credits or get paid if they don't buy any or as much spectrum as they owned in a market. So the $5.7 bil is not really that high. So for example in my area Verizon owned 600 MHz so if they buy 600 MHz well they won't pay anything regardless of how much they bid. If they buy 800 MHz they'll pay for 200 MHz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offthegrid View Post
    By the end of 2021 all new phones sold will be 5G enabled.
    Microwave 5G enabled? Because that was the discussion. Nobody argues with the utility of 5G in mid-band or low-band, just there it won't be that spectacular. T-Mobile says its 5G speeds are about 20 percent faster than those of 4G LTE. That's download speeds, because uploads are still done via LTE.
    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/tec...t-14882420.php
    https://www.androidauthority.com/t-m...eview-1004086/

    The mmWave is where the utility and functionality for mobile usage is not yet proven.
    https://www.androidauthority.com/ver...review-992438/

    In Chicago, I had to have line-of-sight with the 5G nodes in order to get any Ultra Wideband service from Verizon at all. When I say line-of-site, I mean standing within about 30 yards of the node and having a clear view of it. Moving around a corner or ducking into a doorway could easily break the 5G connection entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offthegrid View Post
    Fairly big money going down on the latest auction - already at $5.7 billion and its not over yet.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/regul...ume-path-to-6b
    How come Vz doesnt spend this much $ to finish Fios expansion , in existing markets.

    I'm tired of suffering with cable broadband. -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    Oh I know what they can do but the haters will chime in with "mmwave only goes 200 feet and is blocked by rain". They have to justify their $1300 lowband 5G phones that makes their speeds go from 20 Mbps to 22 Mbps.

    I've seen an article where field tests in the 73 GHz range( which no one even uses ) going over 6 miles. The highest frequency to be used is the 47 GHz( 47.2-48.2 GHz ) that the FCC is currently auctioning off. And 48 GHz is still much lower than 73 GHz. And this was 3 years ago.

    https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/...ve-rural-areas
    Carriers have been doing microwave for decades. The question is whether it will work for handheld handsets and small, residential sized antennas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VVivian View Post
    I don't believe the "mmWave will never be nationwide" naysayers, btw. I think execs are just saying that to manage expectations. 2 km range makes it logical to deploy mmWave on ALL cell sites to boost speeds for users near them, just like how AT&T has been deploying Band 30 everywhere even though 2.5 GHz only creates relatively small higher-speed zones.
    I've connected to WCS in exurbs/rural areas and held it primary for about 2 miles outdoors, it'll be secondary CA and last up to about 3 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post
    Microwave 5G enabled? Because that was the discussion. Nobody argues with the utility of 5G in mid-band or low-band, just there it won't be that spectacular. T-Mobile says its 5G speeds are about 20 percent faster than those of 4G LTE. That's download speeds, because uploads are still done via LTE.
    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/tec...t-14882420.php
    https://www.androidauthority.com/t-m...eview-1004086/

    The mmWave is where the utility and functionality for mobile usage is not yet proven.
    https://www.androidauthority.com/ver...review-992438/
    It's early days for 5G they are working on the issues with mmwave. Things like beamforming will help with the non-LOS issues. Anyway the Snapdragon 865 while it doesn't have an imbedded 5G modem, Qualcom is requiring those companies that wish to buy the 865 MUST also buy the X55 5G modem. If your paying for it you might as well put it in the phone. And the 765 does have a 5G modem built in. And the 600 series is supposedly getting 5G later this year too. So year by the end of 2021 I doubt you see any 4G only phones coming out.

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