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    T-Mobile three new Un-Carrier moves

    Going to be hard for states to turn down free 5G for first responders.

    https://www.t-mobile.com/news/superc...ncarrier-moves

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    For many in urban areas, probably not much of a problem. The biggest challenge for those agencies would be to cut contracts and convert (not likely to happen).
    For many first responder agencies, T-Mobile would have to prove that they would be able to actually cover areas and have generators/redundancy/COWS/COLTS. Even as it stands today... where some of these fires were in SoCal, T-Mobile 'claims' to have service... while AT&T and Verizon actually have service.
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    This gives T-Mobile more in their arsenal to fight the states who are trying to block the merger.

    1. They're cutting the price of their lowest priced plan in half from $30 to $15. This directly addresses the argument that the merger will raise prices on low income customers.

    2. The offer of free hotspots and free data for low income households with children who otherwise would have no internet is an offer that will be difficult for these attorney generals to turn down.

    3. I think the free service for law enforcement is probably the weakest of the offer in terms of what could move the needle away from the opposition to the merger. But there are definitely some municipalities and agencies who would be happy to take advantage of this if T-Mobile has good service in their area.

    All in all, it sends the ball over to the court of the attorney generals---if they want these freebies, they have to allow the merger to go.

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    Agreed - I don't think that the extension of the olive branch hurts T-Mobile. As long as they don't make this like a TWC/Charter deal, making it difficult to ever obtain those services...I think it is a good offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    2. The offer of free hotspots and free data for low income households with children who otherwise would have no internet is an offer that will be difficult for these attorney generals to turn down.
    100 GB per YEAR not per month per YEAR. That's 280 MB a day. Most of these household will have the eaten up within the first week then complain their free internet stopped working

    All in all, it sends the ball over to the court of the attorney generals---if they want these freebies, they have to allow the merger to go.
    But if they don't believe t-mobile will actually do these things it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post

    But if they don't believe t-mobile will actually do these things it doesn't matter.
    I think they can enter into agreement which would bind them to these terms. But the attorney generals still might be stubborn. But since it is a lawsuit, they're not the final decision makers on the matter. So if these freebies fail to persuade them, it still may be good enough for a judge to rule in T-Mobile's favor. That's T-Mobile's play here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    ...2. The offer of free hotspots and free data for low income households with children who otherwise would have no internet is an offer that will be difficult for these attorney generals to turn down. ......
    This is pretty much a throw-away offer. Keep in mind that T-Mobile inherits Sprint's contractual requirement to offer unlimited, unthrottled wireless ISP to non-profits and low-income for $10/mo by virtue of the leases of band-41 spectrum in certain key urban markets from educational institutions. I'm sure they'd rather give away service that they can restrict than get $10/mo for service that's truly unlimited. mobilecitizen.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    This gives T-Mobile more in their arsenal to fight the states who are trying to block the merger.

    1. They're cutting the price of their lowest priced plan in half from $30 to $15. This directly addresses the argument that the merger will raise prices on low income customers.

    2. The offer of free hotspots and free data for low income households with children who otherwise would have no internet is an offer that will be difficult for these attorney generals to turn down.

    3. I think the free service for law enforcement is probably the weakest of the offer in terms of what could move the needle away from the opposition to the merger. But there are definitely some municipalities and agencies who would be happy to take advantage of this if T-Mobile has good service in their area.

    All in all, it sends the ball over to the court of the attorney generals---if they want these freebies, they have to allow the merger to go.
    The problem is, anyone with any knowledge knows that this will all end up being fake news from T-Mobile.

    The fact is, after starting UnCarrier in 2013, the last 18 months have seen nothing but ReCarrier as T-Mo implements moves even Verizon envies. We've all seen it. And we have no reason to believe such won't continue.

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    I am sure this will end up being like att and their merger with cable and how they would offer cheap prices and then boom, once it's approved that will all go by the wayside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckoch125 View Post
    I am sure this will end up being like att and their merger with cable and how they would offer cheap prices and then boom, once it's approved that will all go by the wayside.
    Yep. ReCarrier. The announcement today is like one hand of the magician, hoping you'll pay attention to that and not to the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by formercanuck View Post
    For many in urban areas, probably not much of a problem. The biggest challenge for those agencies would be to cut contracts and convert (not likely to happen).
    For many first responder agencies, T-Mobile would have to prove that they would be able to actually cover areas and have generators/redundancy/COWS/COLTS. Even as it stands today... where some of these fires were in SoCal, T-Mobile 'claims' to have service... while AT&T and Verizon actually have service.
    Both AT&T and Verizon lost service also in places that SoCal fires last week. Equipment burned on the tower. Some people didn’t even have power to charge their cell phones.

    At one point, Marin County saw 57% of its 280 cellphone tower sites out of service. Other counties also saw major disruptions: Sonoma, Lake, Santa Cruz, Humboldt and Calaveras all encountered days in which more than 20% of cellphone towers were out; Napa County saw a day when 19% of cell towers were not working, according to data released by the Federal Communications Commission. In the central Bay Area, San Mateo and Contra Costa counties saw more than 11% of cell towers fail to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Both AT&T and Verizon lost service also in places that SoCal fires last week. Equipment burned on the tower. Some people didn’t even have power to charge their cell phones.

    At one point, Marin County saw 57% of its 280 cellphone tower sites out of service. Other counties also saw major disruptions: Sonoma, Lake, Santa Cruz, Humboldt and Calaveras all encountered days in which more than 20% of cellphone towers were out; Napa County saw a day when 19% of cell towers were not working, according to data released by the Federal Communications Commission. In the central Bay Area, San Mateo and Contra Costa counties saw more than 11% of cell towers fail to work.
    Perhaps, but just because all carriers had some sites go down in a disaster, doesn't mean their disaster preparedness was equal.

    T-Mo historically has had the weakest backup infrastructure of the big four. Even now they seem to be dead last. A San Francisco Chronicle article a few weeks ago <https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/California-wildfires-Cell-companies-can-t-14464734.php> summarized each carrier's disaster plans from their FCC fillings. T-Mo's was seemingly the worst, and certainly the vaguest:

    "AT&T said about 78% of its California sites have a built-in generator, hydrogen fuel cell backup power, or are engineered so a generator can quickly connect to them. This gives them 72 to 120 hours of backup power..."

    "Verizon said its battery backup on sites provides eight hours of power. Diesel generators offer between 24 and 72 hours of backup power on a single tank of fuel. For critical sites without permanent generators, Verizon deploys a fleet of mobile cells similar to AT&T.. "

    "Many of Sprint’s cell sites are equipped with backup batteries which generally provide an average of seven hours of power, the company told the FCC. Within the U.S., in areas where space is sufficient and air quality regulations permit, Sprint installs fixed generators..."

    "T-Mobile said it has permanent generator backup power in 'numerous strategic cell sites,' including in rural areas..."



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    Quote Originally Posted by jet1000 View Post
    This gives T-Mobile more in their arsenal to fight the states who are trying to block the merger.

    1. They're cutting the price of their lowest priced plan in half from $30 to $15. This directly addresses the argument that the merger will raise prices on low income customers.

    2. The offer of free hotspots and free data for low income households with children who otherwise would have no internet is an offer that will be difficult for these attorney generals to turn down.

    3. I think the free service for law enforcement is probably the weakest of the offer in terms of what could move the needle away from the opposition to the merger. But there are definitely some municipalities and agencies who would be happy to take advantage of this if T-Mobile has good service in their area.

    All in all, it sends the ball over to the court of the attorney generals---if they want these freebies, they have to allow the merger to go.
    I think they'll fold like a house of cards. It seems pretty obvious they don't have much to stand on with the vague, nebulous claims of "Jobs Lost, Higher Prices, etc". They will be laughed out of court.

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    T-Mobile three new Un-Carrier moves

    Yeah T-Mobile seemed to play their cards right on this one. The states don’t seem to have as much ground to complain on like they did before. You can always bring up job loss but seems like sprint is heading towards that without a merger if things stay the same

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