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    Quote Originally Posted by dffdce View Post
    This was pretty much expected but at least it's now official. Initial Commercial Deployments of CBRS can proceed.

    WTB & OET Approve Five 3.5 GHz SAS Administrators to Begin ICD

    https://www.fcc.gov/document/wtb-oet...tors-begin-icd
    Only 5 companies have been approved to do so and Verizon isn't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    Only 5 companies have been approved to do so and Verizon isn't one of them.
    CBRS is a whole different animal. One of the 5 companies named is Federated Wireless.

    Federated Wireless is acting as a Spectrum Access System (SAS) administrator.

    Federated Wireless customers include Verizon, Charter, American Tower, Airspan, Boingo, Cambium, Cradlepoint, Contour Networks, Ericsson, ExteNet, Geoverse, JMA Wireless, Landmark Dividend, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Telrad and Wave Wireless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dffdce View Post
    CBRS is a whole different animal. One of the 5 companies named is Federated Wireless.

    Federated Wireless is acting as a Spectrum Access System (SAS) administrator.

    Federated Wireless customers include Verizon, Charter, American Tower, Airspan, Boingo, Cambium, Cradlepoint, Contour Networks, Ericsson, ExteNet, Geoverse, JMA Wireless, Landmark Dividend, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Telrad and Wave Wireless.
    That is confusing. Sounds like a clustf--k

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    I've read Google is also an administrator and that Verizon is also a Google customer for this.

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    This is just a temporary field testing. Final rules for SAS will be different.
    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-915A1.pdf
    5 ...The second stage involves SAS testing both in a controlled lab environment and in a real-world setting.
    6 On December 21, 2016, WTB/OET conditionally approved the first wave of SAS Administrators.
    7 As part of the second stage testing process, Amdocs, CommScope, Federated, Google, and Sony elected to collaborate with the Institute for Telecommunication Sciences (ITS), NTIA’s research and development arm, in order to complete the laboratory testing requirement.
    8 On November 19, 2018, ITS began testing the SASs submitted by Amdocs, CommScope, Federated, Google, and Sony. ITS completed its laboratory testing on May 3, 2019, and subsequently provided the respective SAS Administrators with SAS laboratory test reports, which Amdocs, CommScope, Federated, Google, and Sony submitted for the Commission’s review in July 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    That makes no sense. Either the phones has it or it doesn't and if it does it should be listed like the other phones do. If someone was buying phone and band 48 was a must have with then they would not even consider an S10 if they went by Verizon's website. Which is how the vast majority of people will go by when buying a phone
    On Samsung phones, when a certain SIM is introduced, a portion of the firmware gets automatically re-flashed to whatever that provider supports. That includes the radio modem.
    So even if ALL the bands are hardware present, a SIM can de-activate some of those, based on what that provider allows.
    That is called CSC code and one or several are pre-loaded on the device, ready to be selected:
    https://www.droidviews.com/how-to-ch...galaxy-phones/

    The unlocked firmware versions have multiple CSC available for this flashing, based on their region. My US unlocked version of S10 (U1) has 20. Firmware updates can change the content of CSC codes, and when Verizon will decide to allow CBRS, it will just push an update with that band enabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post
    On Samsung phones, when a certain SIM is introduced, a portion of the firmware gets automatically re-flashed to whatever that provider supports. That includes the radio modem.
    So even if ALL the bands are hardware present, a SIM can de-activate some of those, based on what that provider allows.
    That is called CSC code and one or several are pre-loaded on the device, ready to be selected:
    https://www.droidviews.com/how-to-ch...galaxy-phones/

    The unlocked firmware versions have multiple CSC available for this flashing, based on their region. My US unlocked version of S10 (U1) has 20. Firmware updates can change the content of CSC codes, and when Verizon will decide to allow CBRS, it will just push an update with that band enabled.

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    Post Edited:

    What's nice is the iPhone will have all bands and combos enabled no matter what provider is utilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm View Post
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    What's nice is the iPhone will have all bands and combos enabled no matter what provider is utilized.
    No, they don't have ALL the bands active on a carrier, that would be useless. iPhones download the carrier settings file (*.ipcc) using the phone data... it's a different way to do provisioning.

    It's just a way to save power on LTE. The unused radios would use battery for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post
    This is just a temporary field testing. Final rules for SAS will be different.
    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-915A1.pdf
    No this is actual deployment. testing is over

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post
    On Samsung phones, when a certain SIM is introduced, a portion of the firmware gets automatically re-flashed to whatever that provider supports. That includes the radio modem.
    So even if ALL the bands are hardware present, a SIM can de-activate some of those, based on what that provider allows.
    That is called CSC code and one or several are pre-loaded on the device, ready to be selected:
    https://www.droidviews.com/how-to-ch...galaxy-phones/

    The unlocked firmware versions have multiple CSC available for this flashing, based on their region. My US unlocked version of S10 (U1) has 20. Firmware updates can change the content of CSC codes, and when Verizon will decide to allow CBRS, it will just push an update with that band enabled.
    Look all I'm stating is that the Verizon website doesn't state the S10 has band 48 support. I'm not saying the phone doesn't have it. If it does( and you'd think Verizon would want it to and let that be known ) then why isn't the website stating such support like it does for the Note 10?

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    The ribbon-cutting was only two days ago (09/18):
    https://www.cbrsalliance.org/event/l...al-deployment/

    I assume that Verizon wrote the info about S10 when B48 before that (B48 wasn't approved yet to be in use) and didn't got to update it yet. Or maybe B48 indeed is locked and will be unlocked at the next Samsung update, last one was on Sept 9.

    Verizon wrote the Note 10 info more recently (when testing was happening), so maybe B48 is already unlocked.

    BTW, this is the information on file with FCC about the Galaxy S10 - the U and U1 models are equipped and approved for B48. G973W is the Canada model.



    However this is so much hype over something that will be deployed only in selected places - like stadiums, arenas, places with big concentration of people. And on top of that, the 150MHz of bandwidth will be shared with all the other carriers.
    And in coastal areas, with Naval Radar present... will be even more restricted (sensing capability will terminate the CBRS use where radars are in use).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post
    However this is so much hype over something that will be deployed only in selected places - like stadiums, arenas, places with big concentration of people. And on top of that, the 150MHz of bandwidth will be shared with all the other carriers.
    And in coastal areas, with Naval Radar present... will be even more restricted (sensing capability will terminate the CBRS use where radars are in use).
    Wrong on so many levels. It's going to be deployed much more widely than that. Also next June 70 MHz is going to be auctioned off for licensed use. Every extra bit of bandwidth helps. Oh and I'm not worried about naval radar in the middle of the US. And neither are millions of other people.

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    New iPhones Support CBRS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    Wrong on so many levels. It's going to be deployed much more widely than that. Also next June 70 MHz is going to be auctioned off for licensed use. Every extra bit of bandwidth helps. Oh and I'm not worried about naval radar in the middle of the US. And neither are millions of other people.
    Correct. Verizon is going to deploy CBRS on mostly small cells and yes some macros. There’s a site by me that has LAA and CBRS deployed so expect it to be a capacity band. There will be power limitations on the licensed portion ( still should see about 4 times the range or WIFI) since it will be shared. The GAA portion is 80 MHz total for available use. The auction next year is a huge deal and if I was Verizon I’d try to get as much of the 70 MHz as possible. That licensed portion will not have power restrictions and will be able to travel much further. Below is the link that explains more....

    https://www.daywireless.com/blog/201...ould-you-care/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checker79 View Post
    Correct. Verizon is going to deploy CBRS on mostly small cells and yes some macros. There’s a site by me that has LAA and CBRS deployed so expect it to be a capacity band. There will be power limitations on the licensed portion ( still should see about 4 times the range or WIFI) since it will be shared. The GAA portion is 80 MHz total for available use. The auction next year is a huge deal and if I was Verizon I’d try to get as much of the 70 MHz as possible. That licensed portion will not have power restrictions and will be able to travel much further.
    The rules for the auction state that no one company can bid on more than 40 MHz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    The rules for the auction state that no one company can have bid on more than 40 MHz
    Ok so in that case Verizon needs nationwide 40 MHz of CBRS in the PAL. and will still be able to use the 80 MHz of GAA.

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