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Thread: Verizon Wireless Delaying CDMA Retirement?

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    I'm on 1x right now in a town of 10k people. A ridge blocks LTE service to half the town. Hope they fix this before they shut it off. Other carriers have put up small monopoles to fix the "coverage shadow". Zip 81625.Name:  Screenshot_20190817-112431~2.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyboy View Post
    Here as well (Upstate NY)... and not rural, but in the heart of the city of 150,000.
    To expect coverage in a basement is not even remotely reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    To expect coverage in a basement is not even remotely reasonable.
    Why? I've never lived in a place that the cell did not work in the basement (in fact, my current place AT&T works better in the basement than it does on the upper floors for some odd reason)

    If CDMA coverage is there now, why should the replacement network not be as good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
    To expect coverage in a basement is not even remotely reasonable.
    I didn't necessarily expect basement coverage... I do expect 4th floor office coverage (plenty of windows), as well as ground floor coverage, and driving on main roads. Mostly I expect coverage to be no worse than before (VoLTE as good as CDMA 1xrtt)...

    Pretty pathetic when VZW VoLTE cuts out on main roads right around the major medical center of Central NY... and a major university -- never did that with VZW CDMA.

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    Basement coverage is possible if you have one with half/third size windows, those windows face in the direction of the cell phone, and the cell tower is very close by, and there are no other obstructions between you and the tower such as dense vegetation or buildings more than a couple of stories or other infrastructure. Definitely the exception rather than the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyboy View Post
    I didn't necessarily expect basement coverage... I do expect 4th floor office coverage (plenty of windows), as well as ground floor coverage, and driving on main roads. Mostly I expect coverage to be no worse than before (VoLTE as good as CDMA 1xrtt)...

    Pretty pathetic when VZW VoLTE cuts out on main roads right around the major medical center of Central NY... and a major university -- never did that with VZW CDMA.
    Well good thing you have 3 other carriers to choose from then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spurkcell View Post
    Basement coverage is possible if you have one with half/third size windows, those windows face in the direction of the cell phone, and the cell tower is very close by, and there are no other obstructions between you and the tower such as dense vegetation or buildings more than a couple of stories or other infrastructure. Definitely the exception rather than the rule.
    I've gotten basement coverage in plenty of places even in areas with poor reception to being with. It depends on the building, construction, and phone being used. RF depends on a lot of things. They're never going to cover every basement everywhere, but if the network is too thin to begin with, then they're going to end up with a lot of coverage issues.

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    Can we bring the conversation back to the thread title and drop the "basement coverage" discussions ?? If not, I will be happy to close the thread.
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    Well Verizon should have stuck to the Dec 31 2019 date and maybe they should have spent less time and resources on a 5G rollout when there's hardly any devices anyway and worked more on making sure they could meet a deadline they set over 3 years ago.

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    I probably could've predicted the extension based on cell site modifications and new towers going up here over the past 1-2 years. In late 2017/early 2018 they added a site and swapped some panels on a few other sites and increased the bandwidth on 850 Mhz/Band 5 from 5x5 to 10x10. But since mid 2018 and including a new site that went live a few weeks ago, all new sites here only have 5x5 Band 5.

    I don't know how easy it is for them on the new sites to switch to 10x10 Band 5. Is it a simple software change that they could still switch on January 1, 2020 - or is it more complicated where they'll make the switch sometime after January 2021 when they do other cell site work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoWirelessGuru View Post
    I probably could've predicted the extension based on cell site modifications and new towers going up here over the past 1-2 years. In late 2017/early 2018 they added a site and swapped some panels on a few other sites and increased the bandwidth on 850 Mhz/Band 5 from 5x5 to 10x10. But since mid 2018 and including a new site that went live a few weeks ago, all new sites here only have 5x5 Band 5.

    I don't know how easy it is for them on the new sites to switch to 10x10 Band 5. Is it a simple software change that they could still switch on January 1, 2020 - or is it more complicated where they'll make the switch sometime after January 2021 when they do other cell site work?
    They should be able to re-configure the LTE channels remotely. The bigger question is how easy is it to cut the CDMA channels down? Presumably when they do shut it down, it will be abandoned in place like AT&T did with GSM, and the equipment will be removed on an as-needed basis or when future work is done to the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad15 View Post
    Regardless of the roaming, Verizon realized the rural coverage they were going to loose by shutting this off. I still have buildings in Ohio and Chicago (Chicago has gotten a lot better, but I still have issues in a lot of "basement" condos/apartments) I have to shut my LTE off to even be able to hold a call that does not drop.

    Verizon just needs more time to densify, and they've realized this as LTE is just very fragile in low RF environments, and with recent service degradation in places like my sister's neighborhood (they adjusted the macrocell due to adjacent microcells in the neighborhood next to her - so now her neighborhood is barely usable B13 only when it had B2,4,5,13,66 before) she has to turn LTE off to hold a call around her house even outside. EvDO still functions fine at 2Mbps and she can hold calls, and i'm sure they'll fix it with more microcells but they are nowhere near ready to shut off CDMA here.
    This. I’m in western Va and most people here only have 3G because LTE just doesn’t propagate as far. They also only either have Verizon or US cellular.


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    Another likely reason for the delay is many local first responders (fire, rescue, police) are still using old 3G phones, even in the larger county in which I live. Reason have insight into this, older relative had major accident in 2017 and was in three county hospitals in the month (two in the same night). When discharged from the last hospital and arrived home, found in two different hospital bags brought home she had her own old black 3G flip phone which was hers and one very similar to it in color and form but pretty beat up cosmetically to it which was not hers. After checking the wards of the hospitals she was in and no one there reporting a lost phone in those places, we turned in the similar phone which was not hers to the local police station days afterwards presuming it was dropped by one of the rescue personnel who had the work phone assigned to them sometime in the multiple ambulance trips to or between hospitals in the confusion from the accident.

    Just to say, localities have to spend much money to replace cell phones for 1st responders, even at $200 a pop, say for 50 phones for a small/medium locality, that's $10,000, which it takes time to get through the red tape to get that done, and that's assuming that there is taxpayer revenue available and the communication about the 4G LTE upgrade is needed has gotten to those who makes the purchasing decisions for thousands of counties nationwide.

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    Any business or organization that is way behind the times could still have 3G gear out there. Considering the scary statistics about Windows XP, it's probably quite a few. A year before the turndown, Verizon should put a message that plays before a call goes through that basically tells people to upgrade their phone. Or a text message or something every time they place a call on 3G. Not sure how they would screen out VoLTE-capable phones though, so that might be a challenge. Or they could just text every 3G phone on their network every day until they upgrade. There's a lot of people out there living on another planet and they need to put it right in their face to get them to upgrade.

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