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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    It is the uplink from the NB-IoT to the tower ability to broadcast 62 miles that I am thinking about.
    The antenna on the tower is much bigger and can pick up a much weaker signal.

    Your cell phone is able to get back to the cell tower. Imagine if the cell tower's antenna were the size of the one in your cell phone - it wouldn't work.

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    Dish is also, if not worried, at least concerned about John's additional plan to compete in the home broadband and tv market. Dish makes a lot from areas not well served by cable. This will attack Dish's bread and butter as increased rural coverage is one of the things he has promised from this merger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HokieAl View Post
    The antenna on the tower is much bigger and can pick up a much weaker signal.

    Your cell phone is able to get back to the cell tower. Imagine if the cell tower's antenna were the size of the one in your cell phone - it wouldn't work.
    Cell connections are dropped when the Tower can't hear the cell phone that transmits at lower power with much smaller antennas than the macro towers. Cell phone batteries provide a lot more power to transmit than a NB-IoT device. A NB-IoT battery has to last at least a year so it doesn't use as much power to broadcast at high power. The IoT devices would be worthless if millions of them had to have the battery replaced or recharged every two days. 62 miles is a long distances that cell phones with bigger batteries and more powerful transmitter power can't duplicate.

    What I am really thinking in my opinion that if DISH is building out based on 62 mile service towers then they aren't building a NB-IoT Network that works for customers. What they are building is a Spectrum Protection networks in an effort to keep the FCC from taking away their spectrum licenses that require a 70% build out by March 2020.

    One Billion dollars isn't enough to build a nationwide NB-IoT network. Just like DISH plan to spend only Ten Billion dollars isn't enough money to build out a Nation wide 5G cell phone market. I sure hope the FCC isn't guilibile enough to give DISH a time extension and pulls their spectrum licenses if they are only using 2% of their spectrum. It makes no sense for the FCC to repurpose spectrum for 5G when DISH isn't using their spectrum licenses for the public access. Building out a Protection Network that serves no public purpose is just a waste of spectrum.

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    DISH is talking about building a 5G network that is pure Release 16 with no LTE. Release 16 will be "5G phase 2" and should be completed in December 2019 (TSG SA#87), which would be 9 months after their FCC requirement to deploy their spectrum to 70% by March 2019. Currently 3GPP has approved Release 15 that is 5G with a 4G LTE fall back partnership. Release 16 is 100% 5G with no 4G LTE support. DISH is planing on building a NB-IoT network to protect it's spectrum from the FCC reclaiming their spectrum licenses for non-use.


    " Interestingly, Ergen also addressed criticism against Dish leveled by T-Mobile, which urged the FCC to strip Dish of its spectrum licenses because, T-Mobile argued, the company is hoarding its spectrum. “When we build a network that's 10 times more efficient than the current networks, that means we're going to use spectrum more efficiently. That's the opposite of hoarding. That's using spectrum more efficiently,” Ergen said "

    Dish’s Ergen hints at cable interest in its planned 5G network

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    DISH is talking about building a 5G network that is pure Release 16 with no LTE. Release 16 will be "5G phase 2" and should be completed in December 2019 (TSG SA#87), which would be 9 months after their FCC requirement to deploy their spectrum to 70% by March 2019. Currently 3GPP has approved Release 15 that is 5G with a 4G LTE fall back partnership. Release 16 is 100% 5G with no 4G LTE support. DISH is planing on building a NB-IoT network to protect it's spectrum from the FCC reclaiming their spectrum licenses for non-use.


    " Interestingly, Ergen also addressed criticism against Dish leveled by T-Mobile, which urged the FCC to strip Dish of its spectrum licenses because, T-Mobile argued, the company is hoarding its spectrum. “When we build a network that's 10 times more efficient than the current networks, that means we're going to use spectrum more efficiently. That's the opposite of hoarding. That's using spectrum more efficiently,” Ergen said "

    Dish’s Ergen hints at cable interest in its planned 5G network
    Sounds like he pulled that 10 times figure out of his ***. Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamssx View Post
    Dish is also, if not worried, at least concerned about John's additional plan to compete in the home broadband and tv market. Dish makes a lot from areas not well served by cable. This will attack Dish's bread and butter as increased rural coverage is one of the things he has promised from this merger.
    As a former Dish Network customer in the late ‘90s, that is his biggest concern. I’m thinking his 5G Rev 16 network will be focused on Btoadband and TV and not mobile devices.

    Ergen is a showman and an extremely shrewd and cunning business person. He will leverage every out and loophole he can find to keep this spectrum even though he hasn’t deployed it in the manner in which it was intended under the bid process. If that spectrum were in use today, the big 4 carriers would have plenty of spectrum for today’s needs, even in congested areas.

    Instead that spectrum is being squatted on, plain an simple...

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    Reading that many analysts are putting the approval odds around 90% now. They can be wrong but it seems like the odds have improved.
    All I can say about dish is I like TMobile much better than dish. Heck, I like just about anyone better than dish so I don't respect anything that dish says

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    A NB-IoT battery has to last at least a year so it doesn't use as much power to broadcast at high power. The IoT devices would be worthless if millions of them had to have the battery replaced or recharged every two days. 62 miles is a long distances that cell phones with bigger batteries and more powerful transmitter power can't duplicate. .
    Or the NB-IoT device can use an supplemental antenna and/or be connected to a permanent power source depending on application. I see M2M devices with external antennas and M2M devices are the precursor to IoT. IoT just means that all these devices are managed by the cloud, that's why it stands for Internet of Things.

    If an IoT device is fixed to farm machinery then you can use the battery off the machinery, if it's used to manage a street light, then you can use the existing power source, etc..you can even use solar power to power IoT devices, so you don't really need a long lasting battery for certain applications.

    Quote Originally Posted by bobdevnul View Post
    Narrow band, low-speed, with a robust modulation that is not as susceptible to noise as what is used for our high-speed cell data. It could operate with a lower SNR which would extend the range.

    That 100 km is probably under ideal conditions - tall tower, no obstructions, subscriber equipment on flat land, etc.

    Dish is all fluff and BS.
    This is similar to what Western Wireless/Alltel did with their roamer only GSM network they deployed in the Mountain West, they used an extended range GSM for wide coverage at the expense of data speed and voice quality, but since IoT devices only transmit bits of data, data speed isn't going to be a issue. But for network designs like this, it can be used for fleet tracking, telemetry services, and for remote management of machinery/facilities. Other than GSM/WCDMA, I haven't heard of any commercially deployed extended range LTE networks with such range.

    If Dish were to choose an standard, for their phase one NB-IoT network they would choose LTE Cat NB1 since anything else would require significant expenses in bandwidth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L33 View Post
    Sounds like he pulled that 10 times figure out of his ***. Cool.
    Ergen wants to keep the conversation far away from the heavy bleeding going on in their actual non fantasy cash producing service - Sat TV.

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