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    Quote Originally Posted by themanhimself View Post
    It does hold up. Why would they give away free service?
    The whole free service argument to me means nothing... Sprint doesn't market it on a large enough scale for it to have much impact.. if we saw the break down not a lot of people switch to sprint using the free service for a year .. it's also not offered in store I believe you can only get it online or over the phone

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetigergrowl View Post
    The same was said of TMobile a few years ago when ATT tried merging with them. That they were gonna have a tough road ahead. We all saw how that played out.

    It's always doom and gloom until they are forced to compete. Just look at Sprints numbers this last quarter. Your argument doesn't hold up.
    The only issue imo.. if sprint becomes agreesive and spends the 6-8 billion over the next 4 years ..their pricing will have to go up .. their insurance pricing recent just went up a few bucks.. now how much it would go up by remains to be seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by billm261 View Post
    Why in the world do you care if China gets 5G first? It means absolutely nothing and is a pretty lame reason to support a Yellow and Magenta merge.

    Just what prize is there for winning the 5G race, is there a Cellular World Cup or something? Are the sports books in Vegas taking wagers on it?

    I lean more against it as 5G isn't going to change my life one bit and I'm more about wanting 4 companies to choose from.

    You wouldn't like it one bit if the merger went through and when you upgraded to your next phone you were forced to abandon that 50.00 Metro Plan you are on.
    Don't think for a second it couldn't happen!

    Beating China in 5G will energize the economy with billions of dollars of new taxable industry, create jobs, create technology, create other business with jobs outside technology and produce exports that will all boost the economy as well as improve the nation's GNP. The US has a negative exports to almost everyone since we don't make anything but farm products, weapons and other technology. Where would the USA be without leading the world in Computers and Technology? We don't even have factories that make anything now that was the stable of the Mid-South we both grew up in. Maybe you haven't noticed but China is not our friends. China had to be prevented from buying Qualcomm since not only does China steal our technology they now want to buy up all our technology to dominate the worlds markets.

    Really do you really think each network would spend mega billions upgrading their networks if 5G was just a minor upgrade since you got enough speed to make calls, watch videos and text? I grew up just across the MS boarder line in West TN and they still don't have fast cheap ISP service or major TV Cable companies that something like 5G can bring to them. 4G wireless is too slow for home Fixed Wireless ISP and rural areas of the country is not profitable enough for wireline ISP and cable TV. 5G is another Moon shot for the USA. We want to be the Jetsons not the Flintstones of Technology in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themanhimself View Post
    It does hold up. Why would they give away free service? Their plan was to strike a deal all along.

    The company can't go on forever at the current level. Much different case than the att deal
    Exactly. Good point.

    This is a whole nother ballgame when compared to the Att/TMobile deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroned3222 View Post
    The whole free service argument to me means nothing... Sprint doesn't market it on a large enough scale for it to have much impact.. if we saw the break down not a lot of people switch to sprint using the free service for a year ..

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    Free service is a factor. They wouldn't offer it if it weren't in their best interest or needed. You don't see att or Verizon offering that for a year. They aren't as desperate to gain customers

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroned3222 View Post
    The only issue imo.. if sprint becomes agreesive and spends the 6-8 billion over the next 4 years ..their pricing will have to go up .. their insurance pricing recent just went up a few bucks.. now how much it would go up by remains to be seen

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    Sprint will have to raise prices that is very true. 6-8 billion is there new capex. Sprint is added new customers and the free service is up get people to try out the network. T-Mobile has the 2 free months on metro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiehaskell View Post
    Free service is a factor. They wouldn't offer it if it weren't in their best interest or needed. You don't see att or Verizon offering that for a year. They aren't as desperate to gain customers
    Att and vzw don't care about anyone other than themselves. That's why they really are dumb and dumber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiehaskell View Post
    Free service is a factor. They wouldn't offer it if it weren't in their best interest or needed. You don't see att or Verizon offering that for a year
    Also your devices have to be paid off to get this deal ... Very little people know about this deal .. i honestly dont know why sprint is offering it .. it's a way to get people to byod and then if they like the service to keep them after the year to increase revenue

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    Quote Originally Posted by billm261 View Post
    What is wrong with letting the market decide how many companies can survive?
    Both Sprint and T-Mobile could build out but would rather merge. This has been Softbanks plan all along I'm convinced.

    A prime example is Atlantic City where even 30 years ago the Playboy Casino closed. It was established that AC could reasonably sustain 12 casinos and it did for years. That's before most other states (not including Nevada of course) legalized it. Now, AC is struggling with gambling all over the place, several mamoth sized casinos are closed and that's even with some mergers and consolidations.

    It's simply the market playing out and that's ok.

    I'm not blind to the technological advantages as there are many but in the true sense of a competitive environment there will be less.

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    Let the market decide? You do realize all that is happening is that the MA Bells are merging back into the MA Bell the govt broke up right? That wasn't beneficial to the customer in any way when they were a monopoly.

    The fact is, if the market has it's way you'll be paying more for less and are you ok with that?

    TMobile is profit oriented just like every other wireless company. Everything they do is profit oriented.

    Right now a good part of their growth is coming from the areas they are new in. In areas they are competing in their growth is more controlled. But their churn also isn't the best for a reason.

    When you let the market decide the market is never in the consumers corner. So if you let it decide all you're doing is wanting to be put into a worse position as a consumer which is incredibly short sighted and stupid.

    3 large wireless carriers. TMobile may have three cheaper of the plans but that's because they are being forced to compete and it's still not saying much.

    I mean if you want HD video you pay an extra $10 for it when it started off as part of the plan then went to $5 then to $10. All within a short period of time. How's that good for the consumer of they are doing that now while they are competing? Wait until they have less reason to.

    Most of their plans and features have went up in price in the past year and are now comparable to the big 2 plans.

    Nothing good would come of the merger for consumers. And if you end up hating TMobile for any reason what would be your next cheaper option since ATT and Verizon are the more expensive options? Outside of prepaid they are none. So you would essentially be forced to deal with it or pay more.

    And how's that beneficial for the customer?

    Sprint could do a lot better if it actually competed and had good mgmt. Even if John is in charge you'll still have that Sprint mgmt helping run TMobile so think of that. And he won't be there forever.

    The next person could be even more money oriented. So if you want the merger you're just encouraging lack of competition and higher costs for the consumer. That's how these stories always end.

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    I think it's a good strategic decision business wise. Tmobile needs higher spectrum so it makes sense for them to want to

    How it turns out for customers may be a different story. It could stink but hopefully not

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroned3222 View Post
    Also your devices have to be paid off to get this deal ... Very little people know about this deal .. i honestly dont know why sprint is offering it .. it's a way to get people to byod and then if they like the service to keep them after the year to increase revenue
    Sprint was offering Free service for a year to attract new customers since they were trying to get someone to buy or merge with Sprint. Free service for a year was probably cheaper for Sprint than T-Mobile paying off upto $650 for customer phones on other networks to move to T-Mobile. Sprint/s whole point of the deal was adding new customers in hopes that Comcast and Charter who are both starting new hybrid phone networks maybe would buy Sprint to get a active customer base and spectrum. BTW, MetroPCS is giving away two free months of service to do the same thing only on a shorter period of time. As soon as this merger is finalized into one company, I don't expect the New T-Mobile will give away free service for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Sprint was offering Free service for a year to attract new customers since they were trying to get someone to buy or merge with Sprint. Free service for a year was probably cheaper for Sprint than T-Mobile paying off upto $650 for customer phones on other networks to move to T-Mobile. The whole point was adding customers is Comcast and Charter that are both starting new hybrid phone networks maybe would maybe buy Sprint to get a active customer base. BTW, MetroPCS is giving away two free months of service to do the same thing only on a shorter period of time. As soon as this merger is finalized into one company, I don't expect the New T-Mobile will give away free service for a year.
    That's what I'm saying if we track the last few quarter .. this promo hasn't had that big of a impact on quartetly gains. I think Marcelo even mentioned it in one of the earnings calls that not many people have taken advantage of the free years of service ... If they offered to pay off other device for a year of free service that would be a huge hit

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
    Beating China in 5G will energize the economy with billions of dollars of new taxable industry, create jobs, create technology, create other business with jobs outside technology and produce exports that will all boost the economy as well as improve the nation's GNP. The US has a negative exports to almost everyone since we don't make anything but farm products, weapons and other technology. Where would the USA be without leading the world in Computers and Technology? We don't even have factories that make anything now that was the stable of the Mid-South we both grew up in. Maybe you haven't noticed but China is not our friends. China had to be prevented from buying Qualcomm since not only does China steal our technology they now want to buy up all our technology to dominate the worlds markets.

    Really do you really think each network would spend mega billions upgrading their networks if 5G was just a minor upgrade since you got enough speed to make calls, watch videos and text? I grew up just across the MS line in West TN and they don't have fast cheap ISP service or major TV Cable companies that something like 5G can bring to them. 4G wireless is too slow for home Fixed Wireless and rural areas of the country is not profitable enough for wireline ISP and cable TV. 5G is another Moon shot for the USA. We want to be the Jetsons not the Flintstones of Technology in the USA.
    Explain to me how beating China to 5G energizes our economy?

    If China does it first does it mean boat loads of Chinese workers come here and set up camp to install the network?

    If we are first does that mean our workers go to China and build the network? I doubt it.

    Please let me be clear, I dislike the Chinese Government (not the citizens) very, very much. My true feelings about it would not be allowed here on HoFo. I absolutely agree with our sitting presidents views on them. I owned a manufacturing company in the 80's (I was just a kid) and saw the beginning of thier invasion first hand.
    I made a few bucks but got out and those that hung in went belly up for the most part. Samsonite luggage gone, Stanley Bostich a skeleton, Hasbro just offices now, many, many household names have vanished. I'm also no fan of the CEO who puts American workers out of a job to move their production elsewhere. I will never, ever buy or knowingly consume a Nabisco product again.

    I am all for the technological benefits, all for what it means as advancing the services for those in the boonies.

    Here in the US, If T-Mobile is first great, if it ends up being Verizon oh well. AT&T, that's ok too.

    Other than pride I'm having a hard time understanding the economic benefits of beating China to 5G. Unless you can point to specifics and not generalizations I don't think it's a game changer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billm261 View Post
    Explain to me how beating China to 5G energizes our economy?

    If China does it first does it mean boat loads of Chinese workers come here and set up camp to install the network?

    If we are first does that mean our workers go to China and build the network? I doubt it.

    Please let me be clear, I dislike the Chinese Government (not the citizens) very, very much. My true feelings about it would not be allowed here on HoFo. I absolutely agree with our sitting presidents views on them. I owned a manufacturing company in the 80's (I was just a kid) and saw the beginning of thier invasion first hand.
    I made a few bucks but got out and those that hung in went belly up for the most part. Samsonite luggage gone, Stanley Bostich a skeleton, Hasbro just offices now, many, many household names have vanished. I'm also no fan of the CEO who puts American workers out of a job to move their production elsewhere. I will never, ever buy or knowingly consume a Nabisco product again.

    I am all for the technological benefits, all for what it means as advancing the services for those in the boonies.

    Here in the US, If T-Mobile is first great, if it ends up being Verizon oh well. AT&T, that's ok too.

    Other than pride I'm having a hard time understanding the economic benefits of beating China to 5G. Unless you can point to specifics and not generalizations I don't think it's a game changer.
    China will more then likely still be first to 5G ( not that it matters to me).. in China from what I'm told they don't have that many restrictions and zoning time frames and can technically build when and where they want too

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroned3222 View Post
    That's what I'm saying if we track the last few quarter .. this promo hasn't had that big of a impact on quartetly gains. I think Marcelo even mentioned it in one of the earnings calls that not many people have taken advantage of the free years of service ... If they offered to pay off other device for a year of free service that would be a huge hit
    Agreed. Sprint is low on cash and struggled to show a profit. Sprint needs cash infusion from Softbank despite having the most traditional spectrum in the nation they had the fewest paying customers. I don't think Free Service for a year cost Sprint much money but it makes Sprint look better adding new customers in Earning reports for stock holders. Really MetroPCS does the same deal but only for a limited two months to attract new customers. Frankly I don't see how T-Mobile paying upto $650 to payoff contracts from other network to move to T-Mobile and buy a new phone with a small margin is a good deal for T-Mobile. Seems some customers jump from network to network to make their own Jump Plan for new phone upgrades without paying for Jump.
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