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    Quote Originally Posted by kwandar View Post
    I think that Fongo (combination of Fido costs at $15 for 2Gb and $2 a month for outbound texting) should be added.

    That is $17 a month for 2 Gb plan. A bit of a one-off, but serves the function at a far better cost.
    Hi. Could you please provide a link to the Fido 2GB data only phone plan for $15/mo? Thanks!

    Also, have you tried what you described? How was the voice quality? Was the text service reliable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz1 View Post
    Hi. Could you please provide a link to the Fido 2GB data only phone plan for $15/mo? Thanks!
    http://www.fido.ca/consumer/tablets
    Bell SK+fongo:
    $85 Unlimited NA, NA text, US Roaming, 15GB

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    ISED releases 2017 Telecom Price Comparison

    Cellphone plan prices drop for millions of Canadians [?]
    ISED News Release, Dec 12 2017

    We are pleased to see that prices for cellphone plans for many Canadians have declined.
    At the same time, we have heard concerns from many Canadians who said that prices are still too high.
    - ISED Minister Navdeep Bains


    Eight countries surveyed (G7 + Australia).

    Canada had the highest prices for 3 of 6 wireless service baskets (1GB, 2GB, 5GB).
    For 2 of the other 3 baskets, Canada was second highest.
    On one (450 min, 300 SMS, no data), Canada was third.



    https://i.imgur.com/0Ex17jU.png


    The study also found that competition is producing meaningful results for Canadians. [?]
    In regions with strong competition, wireless prices are as much as 31 percent lower than the national average.
    Well, we know that.
    But can't discuss the option much, anymore.

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    Prices were surveyed in April and May.
    Report was ready Oct 5, ISED sat on it until now.
    From 2008 to 2016 it was commissioned by the CRTC.

    2017 Price Comparison Study of Telecommunications Services in Canada and Select Foreign Jurisdictions
    Report PDF

    Comparison Study of Telecommunications Services in Canada and Select Foreign Jurisdictions, prepared by Nordicity Group Limited, is the tenth (2017) edition of the annual telecommunications services price comparison report. The purpose of this Study is to provide a detailed comparative price analysis of telecommunications services within Canada, as well as an international comparison (G7 + Australia).

    As in previous years, the telecommunications services examined in this Study were classified in five categories: fixed telephony, mobile wireless telephony, fixed broadband internet, mobile wireless internet and bundled services. Individual service baskets were defined according to increasing levels of service usage and feature availability under each category

    National incumbents, regional service providers, and resellers/mobile virtual network operators were sampled for the Study. Domestically, prices were collected in six cities across Canada (Halifax, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, Regina and Vancouver). Internationally, data was collected in eight countries, including four cities in the United States (Boston, Kansas City, Minneapolis and Seattle), and the largest city in all other countries (Australia, United Kingdom, France, Italy, Germany and Japan).


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    Canadians still paying some of the highest wireless rates in the world
    Another year, another study -- and Canadians are still paying a lot
    MobileSyrup Dec 12 2017
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    Last edited by pjw918; 05-04-2018 at 09:08 AM. Reason: pdf link; CBC article
    A Canadian tale of wireless competition, and Another
    From unjust discrimination to undue preference - a CRTC timeline

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    Post Big Three Flanker Brands Raise BYOD Rates (but bonus data remains)

    The bad news? Fido, Koodo and Virgin Mobile have all raised their rates on BYOD plans—as I understand it, the new pricing applies everywhere except Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Québec. The good news? Rates have only gone up by $5/month, and the old rates are still available without unlimited calls.

    After going back to the dark side last month, securing an acceptable phone plan ($60 for 6GB), I was thinking about bumping my monthly data bucket up to 8GB before the prices went up. I paid a visit to my local Virgin Mobile kiosk where, sure enough, the prices have gone up.

    Here's a sample of the current BYOD plans:

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    What's changed is that you'll have to pay an additional $5/month if you want unlimited minutes. I can't help but be reminded of Freedom Mobile's "Big Gig" plans here—to be fair, though, those Freedom plans include zero free minutes, while Fido, Koodo and Virgin will at least give you 500. Remember too that Koodo's bonus data is only good for 24 months.

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    The scam on Canadian's continues, abetted by the Feds. Fuel, food, and other goods are at an all time high.
    Un-Rogered, and getting better 'value'.

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    Wireless bills - an issue just waiting for a political champion
    National Observer, May 18 2018

    We live in the era of the permanent election campaign. Well before the writs are issued, parties raise money, choose issues, frame positions, and compete to shape the news cycle. While plenty can happen between now and the 2019 federal election, the contest may shape up to be a close one.

    In a tight race, small advantages matter. Indeed, they can make the difference between a majority or a minority government, or a chance to form government at all. Currently, our political attention is focused on pipelines, housing, the North American Free Trade Agreement, and a smattering of other issues. There is one issue that gets less mention yet could prove to be the Holy Grail for a party that chooses wisely: wireless service.
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    Luckily in Quebec, Videotron has been raising prices and giving less. And Flanker brands have been giving more for the same price they were charging.

    Big 3 flanker brand Fido started giving a bonus 2 GB on their $49 6GB plan.

    Virgin matched it right away.

    I knew koodo would do the same. Competition Canadian style. Koodo matched a couple days later.

    So called Koodo and now have the $49 for 6GB +2GB bonus.

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    What overage of $70/GB does to a country.

    OECD - mobile data usage per subscription

    www.oecd.org/sti/broadband/1.14-MobileDataUsage-2017-12.xls
    https://i.imgur.com/ippbeUE.jpg

    For the 37 countries surveyed, mobile data usage doubled in 2017 to an average 2.8 GB per month.

    Canada? 1.5 GB.


    OECD Broadband Update released June 28, via @benklass
    http://www.oecd.org/internet/broadba...ics-update.htm

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    The Consequences of High Wireless Costs: OECD Data Confirms Canadians Lag Behind in Data Usage
    Michael Geist, June 29

    The CWTA frequently claims Canada features fast speeds and reliable networks, but affordability is the only metric that counts for millions of Canadians that either cannot afford wireless services or conserve data out of fear of running up bills that are unimaginable in other countries.
    The impact of Canada’s uncompetitive wireless market does not stop with consumer use either as the fear of high costs ultimately decreases e-commerce sales, use of online government services, and the myriad of other benefits that come from the Internet.
    For a government already frustrated by the wireless market and the lack of CRTC resolve to address the issue, the latest OECD data further confirms the harm caused by a market that even troubles the Competition Bureau and the urgent need for government and regulatory action.
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    Canada is not to far from Greece and lesser industrialized nations. The lack of affordable data will hamper innovation and Canada is is not advancing, but stagnant if not going backwards. Thanks CRTC. You are doing the country more harm than good. Protecting the Big 3 and now regionals too, when they say that with competition, there will be layoffs. But the Big 3 still cut tons of jobs to increase profits.

    With competition some jobs will go from the Big 3 to a MVNO. But just the Big Telecoms, looking at you too Videotron, Jobs are lost for good in favour of shareholder profits.

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    Another study, another fail for Canada.

    Canadians use less than half the cellular data Americans do
    MobileSyrup July 5
    Rose Behar

    Canadians use 56 percent less mobile data per month than the average American, according to a study published by Victoria-based mobile data company Tutela.

    The study collected data from over 48 million mobile data users across 10 countries during May 2018, including over 100,000 users in Canada.

    Among 10 other countries, Tutela’s data shows that Canada is tied with Brazil in last place with respect to the average amount of monthly mobile data consumed per user at 2.7GB. Comparatively, the average mobile user in the U.S. uses 6.1GB of cellular data per month, and users in India topped the charts with a 6.8GB monthly average.

    Notably, Canadians use a monthly average of 8.4GB of Wi-Fi on their mobile devices, roughly the same as Americans (8.3GB) — indicating high overall use of internet on mobile devices.




    The issue, Tutela suggested, rests on price.

    Tom Luke, vice president of sales and partnerships at Tutela, cited a report from mobile analytics firm Rewheel, which assessed how many LTE gigabytes could be purchased at different pricing levels in countries across the world. The report indicated that while €30 (roughly $50 CAD) purchases a monthly plan with approximately 100GB in the U.K. — or 10GB in the U.S. — it only provides Canadians with approximately 2GB.

    A study on international wireless pricing released in December 2017 by Nordicity, and commissioned by Canada’s federal government, also confirmed high wireless prices for Canadians in comparison with global averages. The study revealed that Canadians pay some of the highest rates among a group of countries containing the U.S., Italy, Japan, Germany, U.K., France and Australia.

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    article in full at MobileSyrup


    - 30EUR ~ 46CAD (Rewheel report)
    - Tutela sampled February through May 2018
    - OECD ave. 1.5GB; different methodologies, same sad results


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    Network performance, from the same Tutela report.
    Tutela uses 2MB files for d/l speed tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjw918 View Post
    What overage of $70/GB does to a country.
    Bell now charges $100 per GB.

    via MobileSyrup

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    Canadian Wireless Pricing

    I figure that if I ever move back to Canada, I will just send up spending a ridiculous amount of money for a data bucket.

    It’s probably not happening while I am working because the US tech job market is so much better.
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    $100 per GB, Telus style

    Telus has been charging $100/GB since 2016.
    They are sly in how they apply that rate.
    Initially overage is $50/GB.

    At the $50 point, data is paused and the user prompted for consent to proceed, as required by the Wireless Code.

    At that point Telus doubles the overage rate to $100 per GB.
    They also switch the billing unit from $10/200MB to 10¢/MB. For most people the switch-up obfuscates the change in unit price, and the price hike slips by unnoticed. Users assume their consent is for continued PPU data use, as originally intended by the CRTC; Telus simultaneously gets 'consent' for a 100% increase in PPU rate. In most cases that would be unwitting not informed consent. Some may even mistake the 10¢/MB for a lower rate, few will stop to mentally calculate the conversion.

    Robellian craft at its finest.

    An effective CRTC wouild prohibit such behaviour.


    Dec 2016
    Domestic data (within Canada): $5/100 MB for the first 1000 MB (rounded up to the closest 100 MB at the end of the billing cycle). Usage thereafter at 10¢/MB

    Current (Jul 2018)
    Additional data usage will be charged to the subscriber using the data at $10/200 MB for the first 1000 MB (rounded up to the closest 100 MB at the end of the billing cycle). Usage thereafter will be charged to the subscriber using the data at 10¢/MB.


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    Canada's Billion Dollar Wireless Cash Grab: CRTC Data Shows Overage Fees Now Exceed Roaming Revenues
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