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    New phones coming?

    I was wondering if anyone had some infos about what should happen in a near future in regards of new Windows phones? I'm looking to change mine (see other thread), but most of the phones being sold today are at least 1 year old. What are your thoughts on that?

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    New phones coming?

    Windows phone is dead. Nokia is revived via Android. Lumia is shut down. Only hope out there is a Surface Phone

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    There is supposedly a surface phone coming down the road. Exactly when that would be is anyone's guess.

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    What would be the difference between a Windows 10 phone and a Surface phone/device?

    By the way, if Windows Phone 10 is dead, it seems to me that they are still putting in a lot of time and energy debugging and upgrading it, don't you think?

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    I don't think anyone knows what the details of a surface phone Will be right now. Not much information for now. Based on market share of windows mobile devices, it's safe to say it's dead, or at least close to being dead. Now may be the surface phone will revive it...let's hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincentb View Post
    What would be the difference between a Windows 10 phone and a Surface phone/device?
    If Microsoft keeps to its track record with mobile devices, a Surface phone will have almost no compatibility with a Windows 10 phone. No one can say for sure what a Surface phone would be like, but think of an existing Surface tablet shrunk to phone size and you'll have a decent idea of what it will be able to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincentb View Post
    By the way, if Windows Phone 10 is dead, it seems to me that they are still putting in a lot of time and energy debugging and upgrading it, don't you think?
    Microsoft is putting the time and energy into Windows 10 for desktops, laptops, and Surface tablets. It is not going into the phones. I don't believe there's a current manufacturer of Windows phones; last year Microsoft wrote off their entire investment in Nokia (Lumia) and laid off or reassigned hundreds of employees who were working on the phones. And Microsoft has even walked away from some of their commitment on which phones would run Windows 10 after running Windows 8.x.

    As I mentioned in your other thread, if you really want a Lumia phone, I'd find one at a really good price and use the cr2p out of it until it dies. Or hold your fire and wait for a Surface phone that may or may not appear anytime soon or be any kind of investment once it arrives. Only you can say what it's worth to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincentb View Post
    What would be the difference between a Windows 10 phone and a Surface phone/device?

    By the way, if Windows Phone 10 is dead, it seems to me that they are still putting in a lot of time and energy debugging and upgrading it, don't you think?
    Yes and no. The advantage of WP10, supposedly, vs. WP8.x was the "shared core" with desktop Windows 10- meaning much of the underlying code is the same, which is why "universal" Windows apps can run on both platforms. This also means when MS updates "real" Windows, WP10 often gets an update as well.

    As for "Surface Phone", if it ever happens, it'll just be another WP10 device, most likely. The "Surface Phone" talk all started because when MS killed Lumia, they put what was left of their smartphone division under the Surface group- that just means whatever phone devices, if any, get released in the future, they'll come from the same guys designing the Surface PCs.





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    I'd be shocked any tech company with as much money as Microsoft would stop making phones. The question is what kind of phones will they sell? Every article I've seen says they'll stop making cheap phones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFA View Post
    I'd be shocked any tech company with as much money as Microsoft would stop making phones. The question is what kind of phones will they sell? Every article I've seen says they'll stop making cheap phones.
    Not that shocking, really.

    Google bought and sold Motorola, had several manufacturers OEM the Nexus lines, and now has the Pixel. Sony is holding its own right now, but they have had their good years and their bad years in selling cell phones. Dell, HP? if they have phones in the lineups now they're me-too models for some consulting company to sell a vertical solution; they're certainly not phones people buy with their own money. Canon, Toshiba, and Epson make a bundle in tech; no phones there.

    There's no real point in Microsoft spending the $$$ necessary to design, build, and support a line of Android phones, especially if all they want to sell is high-end/high-margin phones, and especially given their spotty history in cell phones (that will take some marketing).

    Windows 10 on the Lumia phones is/was an attempt to capitalize on a kind of write-once/run-many code efficiency Microsoft hopes will attract developers (and, consequently, because apps tend to look and operate similarly on multiple platforms, users). In my experience, Windows makes a decent phone OS. However, Windows is not the overwhelming consumer presence it used to be, so it's not as important to people that their phones run like their desktop PCs, and, as Android and iOS devices increasingly become people's personal computers, Windows will fall even further behind.

    One area in which Microsoft is making some money is in offering Office on multiple (competing) platforms: Android, iOS, macOS, and the Web (Office365). But that doesn't require a line of phones, either.

    The jury is still out on whether the Windows 10 experience will be enough to sell desktop PCs as well as mobile electronics. But I can see why Microsoft would want to step out from the Nokia/Lumia experiment for now until they reach some critical mass with Windows 10. Maybe there will be a line of Surface phones. Maybe they will be substantially different from the Lumia line. Right now, though, that's long money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFA View Post
    I'd be shocked any tech company with as much money as Microsoft would stop making phones. The question is what kind of phones will they sell? Every article I've seen says they'll stop making cheap phones.
    Considering that Apple and Samsung account for 95% of the profits in mobile, anybody else getting out of the game sounds smart to me. All those other players fighting over the 5% scraps left over from the Big Two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveinmn View Post
    Not that shocking, really
    Out of all the companies you listed, only Google's the revenue, profit, and dominance is comparable to Microsoft. None of the others are even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFA View Post
    Out of all the companies you listed, only Google's the revenue, profit, and dominance is comparable to Microsoft. None of the others are even close.
    You didn't mention profit or dominance in your original post. You said "as much money". Canon, Dell, Epson, and HP all are tech giants. They make tons of hardware of all kinds and make all kinds of money but they're doing nothing in the mobile phone space.

    And, frankly, if you want to talk about profit in the mobile phone business, even Microsoft and Google drop off the list. Apple makes only 20% of the phones but they make 92% of the money in mobile. So Samsung and Google get to fight over the remaining 8%. What does that leave Lenovo, HTC, and the rest?

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    Profitable companies stay profitable by exiting businesses that don't make them money. Microsoft kept working on the Xbox for years before it was profitable, but in gaming Microsoft had a long-term strategy and a strong belief that they could compete. Clearly they don't have the same faith in mobile - at least not in the not so distant future. So they have shelved plans for phones, until such a time as they can make a compelling case for their platform to consumers and developers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveinmn View Post
    You didn't mention profit or dominance in your original post. You said "as much money".
    What else would it mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincentb View Post
    I was wondering if anyone had some infos about what should happen in a near future in regards of new Windows phones? I'm looking to change mine (see other thread), but most of the phones being sold today are at least 1 year old. What are your thoughts on that?
    New phones here - http://www.techradar.com/news/nokia-...ews-and-rumors

    Finally Nokia has emerged from failed "Windows" experiment...

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