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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    I don't see anything relating to their debit there....
    No they just go bankrupt without any debt with money in the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreSpeed View Post
    Sprint has debt. But debits are on the cash flow advisory/planning. This is how the 2 words get mixed up. They have to generate cash to pay debt. They wouldn't have borrowed if they had the money. They need really productive sub growth every quarter with only a few dollars in ARPU dilution while being very passive in their ad spend. They cannot overspend under any circumstance.
    No one is arguing that point. That is their situation right now. But it is reversible. You feel it can be done with a rebranding of their corporate heads. You may be right. I don't feel it's come to that point yet but, it could sure. My point on the article and any other one posted is that it's speculation. You, nor I, know anymore to what will happen than the "experts" and "advisors" who write that stuff. None of us sit in on Softbank meetings, we have no clue what they are thinking or planning. You could of wrote the same articles on T-Mobile 5 years ago, saying the same speculation. D.T. lost interest, they want out, they don't want to invest anymore. T-Mobile will be gone in 5 years. You could of wrote that. So my point was why anyone wastes their time reading or caring what another person "thinks" may happen is redundant. No matter what experts think or say it won't change a thing. What will happen will happen regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idavenport90 View Post
    No they just go bankrupt without any debt with money in the bank.
    What? Lol lemme guess....16 on parents T-Mobile plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    What? Lol lemme guess....16 on parents T-Mobile plan?
    Wrong 26 on my own plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    No one is arguing that point. That is their situation right now. But it is reversible. You feel it can be done with a rebranding of their corporate heads. You may be right. I don't feel it's come to that point yet but, it could sure. My point on the article and any other one posted is that it's speculation. You, nor I, know anymore to what will happen than the "experts" and "advisors" who write that stuff. None of us sit in on Softbank meetings, we have no clue what they are thinking or planning. You could of wrote the same articles on T-Mobile 5 years ago, saying the same speculation. D.T. lost interest, they want out, they don't want to invest anymore. T-Mobile will be gone in 5 years. You could of wrote that. So my point was why anyone wastes their time reading or caring what another person "thinks" may happen is redundant. No matter what experts think or say it won't change a thing. What will happen will happen regardless.
    That is where I disagree Sprint's situation is not reversible. Sprint would need to have massive subscriber adds to even have a chance to turn around the debt they generated which is not going to happen with the current state of competition in the wireless market. The only way for Sprint to turn around at this point is a bankruptcy where they can reorganize their debit and be in a better situation then they are now. Look how a bankruptcy helped Charter Communications which just bought Time Warner Cable. The problem is they risk a possible liquidation filing bankruptcy since their creditors will want Sprint liquidated so they can get some of their money back.

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    The Debt gets paid FIRST. Secured Creditors First. Then they must pay to continue operations to suppliers they are dependent on, and then Bondholders and preferred. Shareholders get wiped out. But unpaid bondholders can end up holding the new equity. This thing can be reorganized, and maybe even sold in full or in parts while in bankruptcy to get Softbank some of their investment back. Cable operators will be growing their new businesses. There new loans are secured to Softbank. By this time, all the Cable Operators will have launched their own 5g networks. If your in a big metro area, you will have maybe Sprint or VZ for 4g/voice and Comcast for your 5g. Sprint by no means is down and out in a bankruptcy, really only the shareholders. Your 5G service will be unlimited from the cable co.

    Cable operators are going to want top line growth to justify their 5g builds, and buying wireless companies are a way to do it. With BK discharging the debt, Sprint will be a buy.

    My whole point is, if they could hire people who were smart and cared, they could prevent this whole situation from occurring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreSpeed View Post
    The Debt gets paid FIRST. Secured Creditors First. Then they must pay to continue operations to suppliers they are dependent on, and then Bondholders and preferred. Shareholders get wiped out. But unpaid bondholders can end up holding the new equity. This thing can be reorganized, and maybe even sold in full or in parts while in bankruptcy to get Softbank some of their investment back. Cable operators will be growing their new businesses. There new loans are secured to Softbank. By this time, all the Cable Operators will have launched their own 5g networks. If your in a big metro area, you will have maybe Sprint or VZ for 4g/voice and Comcast for your 5g. Sprint by no means is down and out in a bankruptcy, really only the shareholders. Your 5G service will be unlimited from the cable co.
    But the bankruptcy court could nullify the agreement that Sprint and Soft Banks shell company made to secure their wireless spectrum and assets since the creditors would be crying foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreSpeed View Post
    The Debt gets paid FIRST. Secured Creditors First. Then they must pay to continue operations to suppliers they are dependent on, and then Bondholders and preferred. Shareholders get wiped out. But unpaid bondholders can end up holding the new equity. This thing can be reorganized, and maybe even sold in full or in parts while in bankruptcy to get Softbank some of their investment back. Cable operators will be growing their new businesses. There new loans are secured to Softbank. By this time, all the Cable Operators will have launched their own 5g networks. If your in a big metro area, you will have maybe Sprint or VZ for 4g/voice and Comcast for your 5g. Sprint by no means is down and out in a bankruptcy, really only the shareholders. Your 5G service will be unlimited from the cable co.

    Cable operators are going to want top line growth to justify their 5g builds, and buying wireless companies are a way to do it. With BK discharging the debt, Sprint will be a buy.

    My whole point is, if they could hire people who were smart and cared, they could prevent this whole situation from occurring.
    That's under the assumption it even ends up in bankruptcy court. Again that is speculation. That is also under the speculation Softbank is looking to get out of their investment. Those are 2 huge ifs in the equation. Without knowing the answer to both anything is a guess. People can say what they think all they want and speculate away. It's nothing more than a guess. The fact that anyone believes and pays for one guess over another is mind boggling.

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    Considering the whitehouse wiped out the GM Bondholders and kept the Stock holders intact, anything is possible. They changed BK law for this one case.

    You buy the bonds because they are safer then the stock. Less return and less risk. You get paid first. It will be "let's make a deal" to fix the situation and keep a functioning 4th national carrier. The Cable co's will be regional.

    No more waiting for the cable guy. Pickup your boxes at comcast. They are going to operate over wireless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    That's under the assumption it even ends up in bankruptcy court. Again that is speculation. That is also under the speculation Softbank is looking to get out of their investment. Those are 2 huge ifs in the equation. Without knowing the answer to both anything is a guess. People can say what they think all they want and speculate away. It's nothing more than a guess.
    The problem is it is not an assumption if Sprint keeps going at the rate they are know their will be a bankruptcy period.

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    Softbank's Son also said he regretted the buy. He only wanted it for a quick merger, let it rot a year and then said he was determined to get something done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreSpeed View Post
    Softbank's Son also said he regretted the buy. He only wanted it for a quick merger, let it rot a year and then said he was determined to get something done.
    No that's not exactly what he said. Your point also would be more valid if he didn't buy up the remaining shares he could in October of last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreSpeed View Post
    Considering the whitehouse wiped out the GM Bondholders and kept the Stock holders intact, anything is possible. They changed BK law for this one case.

    You buy the bonds because they are safer then the stock. Less return and less risk. You get paid first. It will be "let's make a deal" to fix the situation and keep a functioning 4th national carrier. The Cable co's will be regional.

    No more waiting for the cable guy. Pickup your boxes at comcast. They are going to operate over wireless.
    The White House is not bailing Sprint out. Sprint's assets would be pieced out and sold at auction unless the bankruptcy court allows them to restructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idavenport90 View Post
    The problem is it is not an assumption if Sprint keeps going at the rate they are know their will be a bankruptcy period.
    Spell check, also your own answer makes it an assumption. You used the word if. Take the advice honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorio102 View Post
    Spell check, also your own answer makes it an assumption. You used the word if. Take the advice honestly.
    Grammar police! The if was their in case the bankruptcy judge decides not to liquidate and do a restructuring but that is still bankruptcy either way.

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