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    LTE on PCS G (Band 25)

    So we all know by know Telus bought the PCS G spectrum from Public Mobile in Ontario and Quebec. Is there any evidence they've deployed it? I see that they have some PCS Band 2 LTE right now. But if G Block is included then the phone should report Band 25.

    My Nexus 5 on Koodo happens to support Band 25 so it would benefit me if they start to use the spectrum.

    The N5 also happens to support SMR LTE (i.e. the 800 MHz iDEN spectrum) which Sprint has started to deploy after the iDEN shutdown. Has Telus already shut it down yet? That would be a nice addition too.

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    Mike (iDEN) network is still active, and subscribers were informed back in January that it would be supported until Jan. 29, 2016. I didn't see the actual letter personally, so I don't know if that was characterized as a hard shutdown date or just 'that's all we're promising'. It is worth mentioning that Telus no longer allows clients to activate or renew on a term, though MTM handset purchases are still available.

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    Interesting. Well that answers it for SMR. But G Block was shut down very quickly after Telus bought Public Mobile so in principle the only reason they may not have deployed it yet is if their towers don't support it yet or if it requires regulatory approval.

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    cmstlist,

    I rather think TELUS would make use of the 700MHz MBS D & E blocks (LTE Band 29, for example) sooner than PCS G block...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    cmstlist,

    I rather think TELUS would make use of the 700MHz MBS D & E blocks (LTE Band 29, for example) sooner than PCS G block...
    Are there any handsets in circulation in Canada right now that can handle Band 29?

    There are definitely phones already on their network with SMR and PCS G LTE support. Even if not an overwhelming majority, anyone with a Nexus 5/6 or iPhone 6/6+ and a few others would immediately have access.

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    First few in my mind include Apple iPhone 6 / 6 Plus and Google Nexus 6 offered in Canada. The upcoming Samsung GALAXY S 6 / 6 Edge in Canada will also be compatible with LTE Band 29. However, LTE Band 29 is for "downlink" only. So I strongly believe it will likely be used as CA SCell carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    cmstlist,

    I rather think TELUS would make use of the 700MHz MBS D & E blocks (LTE Band 29, for example) sooner than PCS G block...
    Also, I would expect re-farming of Band 2 PCS for LTE before using the G block as it would provide greater capacity than a single 5+5Mhz channel.

    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    cmstlist,

    First few in my mind include Apple iPhone 6 / 6 Plus and Google Nexus 6 offered in Canada. The upcoming Samsung GALAXY S 6 / 6 Edge in Canada will also be compatible with LTE Band 29. However, LTE Band 29 is for "downlink" only. So I strongly believe it will likely be used as CA SCell carrier.
    I believe AT&t has a few other phones that support Band 29 as well, but am too lazy to look it up currently. And yes, Band 29 has to be used with CA as the secondary band, perfect for getting 700MHz coverage to 110Mbps downlink

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    Lightbulb LTE overlaid in the PCS and Cellular spectrum

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. J View Post
    Also, I would expect re-farming of Band 2 PCS for LTE before using the G block as it would provide greater capacity than a single 5+5Mhz channel.
    Dr. J,

    With the sunset of cdmaOne/CDMA2000 approaching, it has already been realized in some places for a while - not just in the PCS spectrum but also in the Cellular spectrum as well... http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...e-PCS-spectrum

    I believe AT&t has a few other phones that support Band 29 as well, but am too lazy to look it up currently. And yes, Band 29 has to be used with CA as the secondary band, perfect for getting 700MHz coverage to 110Mbps downlink
    This only question is "when"

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    I have definitely seen Band 2 LTE on Koodo so far in Toronto. No sign of Band 5 or 17 here yet, which I presume would have to be on Bell's spectrum.

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    TELUS country

    cmstlist,

    zivan56's observation of LTE overlaid in the Cellular spectrum is in Vancouver. As for the 700MHz MBS spectrum, some reports in Alberta...

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    Yup I know. And the PCS LTE here could well be TELUS' own spectrum from the Clearnet days.

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    cmstlist,

    Indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    The downlink EARFCN is 900, which is 1960.0MHz in the upper "edge" of the PCS spectrum block B2 and the lower "edge" of the PCS spectrum block B3.



    TELUS does have got PCS spectrum block 5x5MHz B3 license while Bell has got the block 5x5MHz B2 license in the region. With the 2 contiguous blocks together, it would become 10x10MHz wide as observed. So if anyone still remember how TELUS boldly claims that no spectrum sharing involved in Bell-Telus LTE infrastructure deal, it looks like not all spectrum are created equal

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    I just checked with my Galaxy S4 and I'm on Band 2 as well right now. I'm in the Leslieville area.
    It's only showing 10mhz DL bandwidth too. This is a downgrade from the 15mhz Band 4 I used to get here. Why would Telus switch??

    Quote Originally Posted by cmstlist View Post
    I have definitely seen Band 2 LTE on Koodo so far in Toronto. No sign of Band 5 or 17 here yet, which I presume would have to be on Bell's spectrum.

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    Greetings.





    It is NOT considered as "downgrade" at all because today's mobile networks are all about efficient utilization of available spectrum. It also relieves the potential congestion in other spectrum, namely the AWS for LTE Band 4. When it senses the demand of usage warrants a higher bandwidth, it will connect accordingly. The current PCS spectrum is allocated for 3G UMTS/HSPA traffic as well, so 10x10MHz for LTE at this point is not a surprise. On the other hand, the 15x15MHz may not always offer you the maximum performance intended due to factors like signal quality and serving demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmstlist View Post
    I have definitely seen Band 2 LTE on Koodo so far in Toronto. No sign of Band 5 or 17 here yet, which I presume would have to be on Bell's spectrum.
    Quote Originally Posted by HC - NO "i" View Post
    cmstlist,

    zivan56's observation of LTE overlaid in the Cellular spectrum is in Vancouver. As for the 700MHz MBS spectrum, some reports in Alberta...
    Band 17 has been deployed all over the place by Telus here in BC (lower mainland and central interior for my sightings), although I have not encountered Band 5 yet AFAIK.

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