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    Quote Originally Posted by klvnhng View Post
    I thought they were only selling that variant in Korea?
    Pretty sure that's just some sales Rep talking out of his ***

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    Bump. Any phones compatible now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwslam View Post
    Bump. Any phones compatible now?
    Not yet. No phones cover the entire AWS3 spectrum.

    What is interesting is that the current definition of Band 10 actually covered all of WIND's spectrum up to 1770/2170. So technically some phones may already have this covered, but not Bell/Telus's part of the AWS-3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonavin View Post
    Not yet. No phones cover the entire AWS3 spectrum.

    What is interesting is that the current definition of Band 10 actually covered all of WIND's spectrum up to 1770/2170. So technically iPhone 6 covers this, but not Bell/Telus's part of the AWS-3
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    Of course, the whole Canadian AWS-3 spectrum is more about "giving a fighting chance" to WIND, Videotron and Eastlink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonavin View Post
    Not yet. No phones cover the entire AWS3 spectrum.

    What is interesting is that the current definition of Band 10 actually covered all of WIND's spectrum up to 1770/2170. So technically some phones may already have this covered, but not Bell/Telus's part of the AWS-3
    Hmm, I could be wrong, but Iphone 6 does not cover band 10, but rather band 4. So, Iphone 6 would not be able to get Wind's LTE. I did a quick search and did not find any band 10 phones. Are there any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andriy155 View Post
    Hmm, I could be wrong, but Iphone 6 does not cover band 10, but rather band 4. So, Iphone 6 would not be able to get Wind's LTE. I did a quick search and did not find any band 10 phones. Are there any?
    Nope. I was wrong. I thought the iPhone might have included it for Japan, but even they don't have a Band 10 network it seems.

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    I looked at the Qualcomm NV items to enable/disable bands. Band 10 is Bit 10 (AKA AWS+) of NV item 6828 (AKA LTE BC config). So in theory, you should be able to enable it as long the Power Amplifier supports it.
    It's fairly trivial to enable on popular devices like the Nexus 5, OnePlus One, Galaxy S3/4, Note 1/2/3 if you can get it into the right mode. Whether it will actually work can only be done by testing it in real life.

    EDIT #2: According to this documentation for the OnePlus One Power Amplifier (according to iFixit):
    http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product/1623/SKY77629#three
    It supports
    4G FEATURES:
    LTE supports output power bandwidth bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 (and sub-bands 9, 10, 18, 19, 20, 26)

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    zivan56,

    Greetings.

    PAm might support the bands but does it have enough ports to add the extra ones?

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    Good question HC - NO "i"

    Only a real life test will tell, as I have not studied the schematics of the OPO in any way, shape or form.
    This sentence in the PDF under the page I posted gives some hope: "RF I/O ports are internally matched to 50 Ω to
    minimize the number of external components."

    I imagine there is very little difference both hardware wise and software wise for band 4 vs 10. So that gives some hope that it just may work. Of course I could be totally wrong.

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    Now all you need is an AWS-3 network to test this on. :/

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    Well, you need equipment capable of transmitting LTE band 10. There are RF labs that do have this across Canada/USA, I dont know of anybody with access to it, however. Anandtech managed to get their hands on band 4 radios to do their Nexus 4 test IIRC.

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    What will happen for the Ottawa region? Wind won zero AWS-3 spectrum in that region. Is there still a chance of AWS-1 LTE happening, especially if Wind decides to acquire Mobilicity? Will Wind use LTE on AWS-1 in Ottawa and AWS-3 elsewhere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. J View Post
    In the US, the FCC has an interoperability mandate for AWS-1 and AWS-3, so that all devices and networks that are compatible with any part of AWS-3 , must be fully compatible with all of AWS-3 as well as all of AWS-1.
    That is reassuring, especially for Ottawa. It will extend the usefulness of AWS-1 network deployments.
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    Band 10 includes band 4, as defined by the 3GPP. The small part at the end is not part of any band. So that law has nothing to do with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABcrab View Post
    That is reassuring, especially for Ottawa. It will extend the usefulness of AWS-1 network deployments.
    For Canada it's pretty redundant. Every LTE network currently operating in Canada used AWS-1 as its first frequency band. It follows that no carrier here would have a reason to release an LTE device missing AWS-1 LTE.*

    *Rogers did release one or two phones missing AWS-1 LTE in order to show off 2600 MHz at a time when it was not possible to find devices with both bands on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zivan56 View Post
    Band 10 includes band 4, as defined by the 3GPP. The small part at the end is not part of any band. So that law has nothing to do with reality.
    The interoperability requirements do have a major impact on reality as a new band is in the process of being created to encompass all of AWS-3 and AWS-1 so that it can be deployed in North America and Band 10 does not pass regulatory muster. This is part of the reason why there is a longer lead time (18--30 months) before we can expect to see much on the way of network equipment or devices supporting AWS-3.

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