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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKstrr View Post
    You're only paying for 20 months on NEXT, thus savings in months 21 thru 24 offset the 14.46 saved per month (it's about a dollar difference).

    NOW, it's your decision to keep the old plan or switch - your assumption about sub'd prices of iPhones may be flawed, the upfront subsidy could go up as an effective means of eliminating subsidies.

    As far as NEXT, I purchased my Lumia 1520 online (ebay) & saved ~ $150. - I payed $425 + $4.95 shipping; Next would cost $580 + tax ... AT&T COR stores are NOT the only source of phones. In your case, if you could pay for those, I'd buy unlocked phones directly from Apple for the same price !
    WARNING: Do your homework, if buying your phone online, thru a third party (or Craigslist) ... it could become a disaster.

    BTW - you still have access to a subsidy with new Value plan, it would just involve $600 (24 months x $25 additional per phone) + the upfront cost of the phone !

    If you really look around, AT&T is trying to wean existing customers off subsidies, while dangling subsidies in front of New customers as an enticement. As always, YMMV ... good luck w your decision.
    Thanks for the analysis. I dind't even see that. You make a better argument to switch. Now the savings are even less and I would get tethering and I get to spread out my payments instead of having the $700 initial outlay for 2 new iPhones every contract period. Also, if I chose the Next 12 option, I could get a new phone every year and just continue making payments.

    Decisions....decision....

    Thanks again

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    I would also appreciate some advice.

    Current Plan = 190/month (not included 23% discount + 90 dollar subsidy from work)

    Mobile Share Plane - 6GB Unlimited Talk/Text = 90
    Line 1 - iPhone 5 - 35 (On contract)
    Line 2 - iPhone 5S - 35 (On contract)
    Line 3 - Dumb Phone - 30 (On contract, Used contract to update Line 2 to iPhone 5s, but dumb phone bought outright on ebay)


    New Plan = 145/month (not included 23% discount + 90 dollar subsidy from work)

    Mobile Share Plane - 10GB Unlimited Talk/Text = 90
    Line 1 - 15
    Line 2 - 15
    Line 3 - 15

    So I would save 45 dollars a month. Assume in September, we upgrade both iPhones to new ones, 7*45 = 315 dollars saved, but then Line 1 and Line 2 go up to 40 each. So my bill goes to (205*24) + ~70(activation on both phones) + 400 (two iPhones) = 5390 of the course of 24 months after that.

    However, if I used next upgrade:

    I would save the intial 315 dollars. In September, I would pay (145*24) + (~65*20) = 4780 for the 24 months after that.

    Is this correct? Seems like a no brainer to move to the value plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mackworth View Post
    I would also appreciate some advice....
    Taking a subsidy on 10gb + Value plan is an epic FAIL !
    You would add $600. cost to the subsidized price ($199 + $36), paying way too much for the phone. For some on old plans, the plan cost (including subsidy) makes more sense ...

    Your Value plan would cost ($100 less 23% discount) $77 + (3 x $15) $45 = $122 pre tax, don't know how your discount was applied to OLD plan (& your $90 subsidy is applied to a lesser amount).

    Do the math, multiply OLD plan price x 24 months + subsidy paid for new phone(s) + upgrade fee = TOTAL
    then multiply New Value plan price x 24 + cost of phone(s) + tax on phone = TOTAL, then compare the TOTALs.

    That will make your decision easier & for iPhones, I would buy them from Apple (factory unlocked) for the same price, IF you could afford the single outlay of $$$ (unless AT&T lowers the Next prices on those).
    informed/intelligent comments are welcome ... BS - not so much ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcrunner View Post
    So, can someone help me decide what's best? I am on my parents plan and I am grandfathered into unlimited with my iPhone. I do feel bad, though since my mother and sister have smartphones and are paying a lot for even 300 MB data plans. We are paying $225 I think or so a month right now for 700 minutes (never even close with unlm m2m). We have 5 lines.

    I would be willing to switch if it's much better deal. My question is, how does this handle if they want a new phone or my brother and father want to get smartphones? Would this end up cheaper if they still wanted subsidized phones (or does Next make sense?)? 15 GB seems like it would be the minimum.
    15 gig is 130 to start. Any employer discount comes off this price. Then 5x15 for adding lines, 75 total. You're already at 205 before adding in the taxes per line, so your local tax multiplied by 5 again. Mine are 8 dollars per line, to give the general idea. So my taxes would bring you to 245 less any employer discount.

    Do you need 15? What's the most data you've gone thru in the past year?


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    I made a mistake with the math. I used the Next 18 pricing instead of Next 12. I also did used 24 months instead of 20 for the subsidized phones. Now I that corrected it, here's what I get:

    Mobile Share with Next (25% discount applied):
    15 - 1st line
    15 - 2nd line
    75 - 10GB data (discounted)
    6.99 - insurance, 1st line
    6.99 - insurance, 2nd line
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    118.98 - total plan price

    42.50 - iPhone 64GB on 20 month Next plan
    37.50 - iPhone 32GB on 20 month Next plan
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    80.00 - total phones price

    $198.98 - total Mobile Share plan and Next phones


    700min family plan with unlimited data and free A-List (25% discount applies)
    45 - plan and 1st line and 200 additional bonus minutes (discounted)
    9.99 - 2nd line with 200 additional bonus minutes
    20 - unlimited texts with any mobile to anymobile calling (AT&T save plan)
    6.99 - insurance, 1st line
    6.99 - insurance, 2nd line
    22.50 - unlimited data, 1st line (discounted)
    22.50 - unlimited data, 2nd line (discounted)
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    133.97 - total plan price

    19.95 - iPhone 64GB (399 price split 20 months)
    14.95 - iPhone 32GB (299 price split 20 months)
    1.50 - activation fee (36 split 24 months)
    1.50 - activation fee (36 split 24 months)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    37.90 - total phones price

    171.87 - total family plan price with phones


    $27.11 difference monthly

    I still don't get hotspot and I have to lay out $700 up front. I also get throttled at 5GB. The benefit is the savings and also no overage.

    I'm still on the fence.

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    On the 26 month Next plan, there is still a price difference between sub'd and Next:

    Mobile Share with Next (25% discount applied):
    15 - 1st line
    15 - 2nd line
    75 - 10GB data (discounted)
    6.99 - insurance, 1st line
    6.99 - insurance, 2nd line
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    118.98 - total plan price

    32.69 - iPhone 64GB on 26 month Next plan
    28.85 - iPhone 32GB on 26 month Next plan
    -------------------------------------------------
    61.54 - total phones price

    $180.52 - total Mobile Share plan and Next phones


    700min family plan with unlimited data and free A-List (25% discount applies)
    45 - plan and 1st line and 200 additional bonus minutes (discounted)
    9.99 - 2nd line with 200 additional bonus minutes
    20 - unlimited texts with any mobile to anymobile calling (AT&T save plan)
    6.99 - insurance, 1st line
    6.99 - insurance, 2nd line
    22.50 - unlimited data, 1st line (discounted)
    22.50 - unlimited data, 2nd line (discounted)
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    133.97 - total plan price

    15.35 - iPhone 64GB (399 price split 26 months)
    11.50 - iPhone 32GB (299 price split 26 months)
    1.50 - activation fee (36 split 24 months)
    1.50 - activation fee (36 split 24 months)
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    29.85 - total phones price

    163.82 - total family plan price with phones


    $16.70 difference monthly

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    In your case, with the discount applied to both the plan & data - it pays to stay on the OLD plan for as long as you can (UL data + discount on service portion + subsidized phones).
    These large (10gb +) data plans, for the most part, benefit larger (3 or more phones) families.

    Enjoy the upgrade (2 iPhones) in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKstrr View Post
    In your case, with the discount applied to both the plan & data - it pays to stay on the OLD plan for as long as you can (UL data + discount on service portion + subsidized phones).
    These large (10gb +) data plans, for the most part, benefit larger (3 or more phones) families.

    Enjoy the upgrade (2 iPhones) in September.
    Thanks, I'm gonna stay where I'm at.

    Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKstrr View Post
    Taking a subsidy on 10gb + Value plan is an epic FAIL !
    You would add $600. cost to the subsidized price ($199 + $36), paying way too much for the phone. For some on old plans, the plan cost (including subsidy) makes more sense ...

    Your Value plan would cost ($100 less 23% discount) $77 + (3 x $15) $45 = $122 pre tax, don't know how your discount was applied to OLD plan (& your $90 subsidy is applied to a lesser amount).

    Do the math, multiply OLD plan price x 24 months + subsidy paid for new phone(s) + upgrade fee = TOTAL
    then multiply New Value plan price x 24 + cost of phone(s) + tax on phone = TOTAL, then compare the TOTALs.

    That will make your decision easier & for iPhones, I would buy them from Apple (factory unlocked) for the same price, IF you could afford the single outlay of $$$ (unless AT&T lowers the Next prices on those).
    You are right, that would be an epic fail.

    Current
    GB 6

    Base 90
    Discount -20.7
    Line 1 (ios) 35
    Line 2 (ios) 35
    Line 3 (dumb) 30
    Base fee 4063.2
    Phone 1 200
    Phone 1 Act Fee 36
    Phone 2 200
    Phone 2 Act Fee 36

    Total 4535.2

    Buy Outright
    GB 10

    Base 100
    Discount -23
    Line 1 (ios) 15
    Line 2 (ios) 15
    Line 3 (dumb) 15
    ---------------------
    Base fee 2928
    Phone 1 649
    Phone 1 Act Fee 0
    Phone 2 649
    Phone 2 Act Fee 0

    Total 4226

    Next
    GB 10

    Base 100
    Discount -23
    Line 1 (ios) 15
    Line 2 (ios) 15
    Line 3 (dumb) 15
    -------------------
    Base fee 2928
    Phone 1 650 (32.5*20)
    Phone 1 Act Fee 0
    Phone 2 650 (32.5*20)
    Phone 2 Act Fee 0

    Total 4228

    Tax would probably be the same in all cases, because my state charges taxes on the unsubsidized prices. Looks like Next or outright is way to go. Somehow I still feel like I am going to get screwed though.

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    I'm on the old 700 minutes with 5 lines plan, and I almost succumbed to these new Mobile Share Value Plans.

    The reps on the phone however, talked me out of it and gave me $390.00 in discounts!!!

    After that, and still having 5 lines with subsidies and two unlimited data plans, I realized I'd be a fool to give my current setup away.


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    for some people staying on their OLD plan makes sound fiscal sense, not so for me, but as always YMMV.

    I still think AT&T will have to subsidize their full price phone purchases (Next or No contract). They are purchasing the devices @ wholesale prices & generating revenue on the sale of devices.

    Case in point, I purchased my phone from a storefront selling on ebay. Phone sold for $425., seller purchased a lot of 10 for (much) less than that (he had to make a profit). AT&T sells the same phone for $585. No Contract (or Next). Microsoft sells the phone for $550 - same AT&T device w AT&T logo, bloatware, etc.
    Now, for my $$, if they're gonna slap their name on the device & load it w bloatware, they better be paying me something, else, I buy the unlocked, international version. The market will drive this, we'll see how it plays out.

    ... and Yes, I know the international version does NOT have the appropriate LTE bands, but it's unlocked & has the QI wireless charging w 32gb storage onboard !

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    I need to convince my mom to switch to this. It would be the same monthly fee, we'd lose subsidies, but we'd get so much more, and not have any domestic data overages when traveling and tethering, and she'd get LTE tethering as well.

    Now:
    $60 - FT850
    $30 - 3x extra lines
    $30 - UL text
    $25 - 2GB data
    $15 - 200MB data
    $160 - total

    Mobile Share Value:
    $100 - 10GB
    $60 - 4x devices

    I wouldn't take a subsidy at this point anyways, as I know that Mobile Share Value is the future and then we'd be screwed when we do want to switch... so we may as well give up our old plan and switch. And no more hacking phones to get tethering. And Unlimited everything (2GB is close to Unlimited data, but I can hit the limit when traveling or just using data stupidly, 10GB is definitely Unlimited for basically one user). With the Nexus 5, Moto X and iPhone being sold as unlocked devices from the manufacturer, I see no reason to buy phones through AT&T. Plus, there are Pure Google versions of other phones available...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffaloTF View Post
    15 gig is 130 to start. Any employer discount comes off this price. Then 5x15 for adding lines, 75 total. You're already at 205 before adding in the taxes per line, so your local tax multiplied by 5 again. Mine are 8 dollars per line, to give the general idea. So my taxes would bring you to 245 less any employer discount.

    Do you need 15? What's the most data you've gone thru in the past year?

    I guess we can try 10…the most I used was 6, but I usually hover under 3. I was trying to balance it between us easily but in reality my dad might not even get a smartphone and I doubt the rest will be using all of their allotment so I'd probably have more to play with. My mom would love to be able to tether when they camp in the summer, though so I have to factor that in. We can change anytime, right?

    How do I calculate the subsidy for figuring out if it's worth it? The $225 is total I think, but I get a 17% discount through employer. I just don't want to give up my unlimited if it isn't worth it. How do we deal with upgrades? Anyone who wants one starts the monthly payments for the full price/26 months? How is this handled if we switch now…when we still are in contract from the old plans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcrunner View Post
    I guess we can try 10…the most I used was 6, but I usually hover under 3. I was trying to balance it between us easily but in reality my dad might not even get a smartphone and I doubt the rest will be using all of their allotment so I'd probably have more to play with. My mom would love to be able to tether when they camp in the summer, though so I have to factor that in. We can change anytime, right?

    How do I calculate the subsidy for figuring out if it's worth it? The $225 is total I think, but I get a 17% discount through employer.
    It's off the cost of the bucket. So 17 dollars off 100 for 10 gigs - 83 dollars. You can change your allotment at any time, even backdate it as long as you haven't already gone over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKstrr
    for some people staying on their OLD plan makes sound fiscal sense, not so for me, but as always YMMV.
    Right, each person should definitely do the math for himself, especially for those on the older grandfathered plans.

    For instance, on my 2 phone plan, we have 450 shared with 7K rollover bonus, 3GB data each (some are unlimited), free 6 month texting, and $10 credit per month for the next 12 months bringing the total to $99.99 before taxes. For a plan such as this one, unless a person needs 10GB data, there's absolutely no compelling reason to change plans, especially with ATT, at least for the moment, allowing this plan to upgrade to iPhone 6 with the full subsidy price of $199.

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