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    10 Reasons Why I Like the HTC Touch More Than the iPhone

    Let me start out by saying I haven't used either the iPhone or HTC's newly announced Touch in person, so this post is based solely on my reading, analysis and conversations with colleagues around the industry. If you don't like the sound of the thread's title, please just shrug it off and move on to the next thread; I'm just creating a dialog, not a war.

    Also, I'm very impressed with the level of innovation in the iPhone, and I think it should do extremely well -- in fact, I'm sure reviews will be good and Apple won't be able to keep up with demand. Best of all, the iPhone is great for the entire market, bringing the smartphone category to consumers who otherwise never would have considered such an advanced (and pricey) device. This will ultimately benefit Windows Mobile, Symbian, Palm OS and all the rest.

    That said, here are 10 reasons why I actually like the Touch more than the iPhone! (Donning flame-repellent suit.)

    10. Touch is unlocked and compatible with GSM networks worldwide.

    Buy the Touch from MobilePlanet and take it with you from New York City to London, Moscow and Singapore. And it may be tri-band now, but HTC has stated a launch for North America is expected in the second half of the year. By comparison, the iPhone will only be available from AT&T; a European launch is expected toward the very end of the year or sometime in '08, but like with AT&T in the U.S., will be locked in an exclusive deal for years. People on other networks will have to break their contracts to buy an iPhone, adding as much as $200 to the cost of the device while losing grandfathered service plans.

    9. Touch supports synchronization with Outlook and Exchange now.

    As a Windows Mobile device, you can guarantee the Touch will support Direct Push e-mail and synchronization with Outlook and Exchange. Rumors aside, we don't know that about the iPhone yet, and given that Microsoft owns the intellectual property to Direct Push, any attempts by Apple to reverse-engineer the technology may plunge them into murky legal waters. Hands-down, if you want to use your device for business in concert with an Exchange server, Windows Mobile is the way to go.

    8. Touch has dedicated call and hang-up buttons.

    Because Windows Mobile is a true multitasking OS, users can jump to other screens while on a call, whether it's to check the calendar or take down a note. Once the phone screen is gone, it's useful to have dedicated call and hang-up buttons so it's unnecessary to navigate back to the phone app. Ironically, this is one area where the iPhone's completely button-less design may be much clunkier than Windows Mobile.

    7. Touch is designed by HTC, a company with over 10 years experience building mobile devices and over 5 years building phones.

    HTC has proven its quality to us time and time again, from the Magician and Typhoon to the Hermes and Excalibur. Sure, like any technology there are possibilities for bumps in the road (e.g., initial screen alignment issues on the Hermes), but these are quickly resolved and HTC's devices are typically long-lasting and extremely sturdy. Apple, while renowned for its desktops and laptops, has never ventured into phone territory before; they are unproven here, and by all industry accounts will experience trial by fire.

    6. Touch is easy for IT administrators to manage, support and secure.

    Because it's a Windows Mobile device, IT admins can use Exchange to control devices brought into the enterprise, whether by settings policy rules like application locking or password requirements or managing security through remote device wipe and SD card encryption. Apple has yet to announce any plans to help IT admins support iPhones in an enterprise setting.

    5. Touch is easy and familiar for developers to create applications for because it supports standard Microsoft tools like Visual Studio, .NET Compact Framework and SQL Server Compact Edition.

    According to IDC, 77% of corporate developers already use Microsoft tools like Visual Studio for application development. Since these exact same tools are used to create apps for Windows Mobile, developers already own and are already familiar with virtually everything they need to get going with mobile development. By comparison, Apple hasn't even officially announced yet if it will support third-party applications, and even if they do, it currently has a mobile developer community of zero.

    4. Touch is compatible with more than 18,000 commercial third-party applications.

    With Windows Mobile, you can tweak and add to your Touch experience however you like, from Today screen apps like PocketBreeze or Fizz Traveler to games and multimedia like K-Rally, Sling and video game emulators. As stated above, Apple hasn't even officially announced yet if it will support third-party applications. Probably they will -- eventually -- but maybe they won't. And even then, you can guarantee it will be under Apple's strict rules (a la iPod applications and games) in order to lock down the iPhone user experience.

    3. Touch has a replaceable battery.

    Everyone knows Lithium Ion and Lithium Polymer batteries go bad after a period of time, typically about 12-18 months. Everyone except Steve Jobs, that is. That $600 iPhone is going to be really expensive when the entire thing needs to be replaced just a year and a half down the road.

    2. Touch requires no long-term service contracts.

    The iPhone requires a two year commitment to AT&T. When did we all change our minds and get so excited about signing new contracts with a mobile operator? I, for one, would rather shoot a bullet through my head than promise another two years of my life to a carrier. Furthermore, as stated above, customers of other mobile operators will have to break their contracts to get the iPhone, adding as much as $200 to the cost of the device while losing grandfathered service plans. Yeah, says AT&T, that's the point.

    1. In a world literally obsessed with the iPhone, the Touch stands apart. Think different.

    'Nuff said. Flame away!
    Last edited by Urban Strata; 06-05-2007 at 03:01 PM.
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    t shirt.. i demand a t-shirt before i become a fanboy..

    <someone from back stages hands me a t-hsirt.. >


    ok now... sure iphone looks neat but what can you really do on it ?


    my 3G WM5 device has 3g .. that makes for some great quickie porn downloads... porn to go .. we all know that better then prepackeged porn on a storage card. its freasher
    iphone.. edge.. i dont even check medianet when i know im on edge..

    and of course the seamless realtime email syncs..


    the best thing that the iphone will do for me is maybe drop the price of the 8525 on ebay since most of the smelly hippies will be runing after the iphone.. < 1 8525 is nOT enough >


    this space for rent .

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaadock
    the best thing that the iphone will do for me is maybe drop the price of the 8525 on ebay since most of the smelly hippies will be runing after the iphone.. < 1 8525 is nOT enough >

    That or the kaiser to drop the price of the Tytn. Then I can finally upgrade from my trusty JAM
    |< | /\/\ ( ) Cal

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    All good points. Very Meinysyss(sp?) like.

    If I were offered a HTC Touch or an Apple iPhone I would take the iPhone.

    If I were offered a HTC Kaiser or an Apple iPhone I would take the Kaiser.

    Not sure what that's supposed to mean but that's what I'd do.

    To me the HTC Touch in it's current form is a bit of a novelty and is also lacking in the spec dept. The "touch" navigation looks added on whereas the touch navigation on the iPhone seems built from the ground up and is the centric part of the UI. IMHO HTC or M$ should have embraced the idea of a new navigation method and really worked on it with real in depth testing then implement it in Photon. Not just rush it out the door. It doesn't look very polished. Just my opinion.

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    Well, I agree because I personally hate the iPhone (though I am sure my girlfriend will want me to buy her one). The day I bought a 2GB card for my phone, I sold my iPod.

    Thinking about what you guys said - in 6 months the iPhone will still be the iPhone but HTC can release other phones with this technology and make it better (i.e. 3G!)

    I cannot imagine not having tons of 3rd party apps. I hated Palm OS & Symbian because there wasn't enough 3rd party apps for me to choose from.

    The fast that you cannot remove the battery is insane.
    @Maevro

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    Quote Originally Posted by maevro
    Well, I agree because I personally hate the iPhone (though I am sure my girlfriend will want me to buy her one). The day I bought a 2GB card for my phone, I sold my iPod.

    Thinking about what you guys said - in 6 months the iPhone will still be the iPhone but HTC can release other phones with this technology and make it better (i.e. 3G!)
    And by that time the 3G iPhone will be almost upon us (so we assume) and along with it more 3rd party applications.

    I hated Palm OS & Symbian because there wasn't enough 3rd party apps for me to choose from.
    You are aware of course that Palm OS alone has more 3rd party applications than Windows Mobile. I don't think that is valid reason for hating the Palm OS. It has to be something more substantial - like no multitasking, etc, etc.

    The fast that you cannot remove the battery is insane.
    I agree. But I have heard rumors that there will be two batteries in the iPhone -one to handle multimedia and one specifically for the phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JNGold
    You are aware of course that Palm OS alone has more 3rd party applications than Windows Mobile. I don't think that is valid reason for hating the Palm OS. It has to be something more substantial - like no multitasking, etc, etc.
    I hated Palm OS period. I disliked Symbian because of the lack of 3rd party apps (free apps at least). I had a treo 650 and hated that phone because of the software made by Palm, I thought it was clumsy - but thats just me. I really liked Symbian's OS, but disliked the lack of applications. I worded the original phrase wrong.

    We don't know how fast a 3G iPhone will be released. I hope it is soon for all the people who care about it having 3G, but as for me I could care less. I really wasn't a fan of the iPod.

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    I'd like to add that you can use a stylus with the Touch while the iPhone forces fingers, err fingerprints.


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    good thoughts urban. I can't use an iphone for day to day work. It won't do what I've become accustomed to having/needing at work. The touch/elf can/will. Very simple.
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    ya know id so jump on the touch. was talking to my buddy at work and showed him this phone and he drooled. he doesnt like the iphone nor do i. again I need a phone that works like im used to. i have been a ppc user for way too long to want to move to anything else
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    All valid, and well thought out points, no need for flame retardant suit
    However, I am going to play devils advocate on points 4, and add a note to point 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Strata
    4. Touch is compatible with more than 18,000 commercial third-party applications.
    I believe this is exactly what apple was trying to prevent when they initially stated no third part applications.

    Think about it.. many of us use winmo devices, how many times have we had problems, had to do a hard reset, and start installing programs 1 at a time to figure out which program was causing the problem, if it was in fact a third party app that caused the problem.

    Now winmo devices are not exactly marketed to the masses, so the support requirements are much smaller, in many cases the business's own IT department will cover support, and in the other cases (like those of us who use winmo devices for our own use outside of the corporate entity), we would either know how to resolve the issue, or have to call cingular support (assume we bought the device through the telco provider).

    Now we have a device, where every tom **** and harry buys one, and installs 50 random programs they downloaded off the net.. things start going horribly wrong (this is a osx based device, which means unix.. I work in a unix environment, install or compile an application that replaces a dependency, and you have a world of pain as every other application that depended on that dependency no longer works.. this is of course stretching it...)

    But I think I made my point clear here.. I do however not want a device I cannot install stuff on, thats just me though.. I do not ever call vender support

    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Strata
    3. Touch has a replaceable battery.
    I cannot help but see this as a business decision.. a very poor one at that, by apple to generate additional revenue. Remember all those ipods with batteries that crapped out, if my memory services me, it was an $80 charge for the users to get the instructions, tool to open the ipod, and the battery, and that was even for devices that were still under warranty.

    I dunno, just a thought..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewchandler
    good thoughts urban. I can't use an iphone for day to day work. It won't do what I've become accustomed to having/needing at work. The touch/elf can/will. Very simple.
    I'm not sure the Touch will be any better than the iPhone for day to day tasks. It still has no keyboard, a slow processor, no 3G and a real lack of hard buttons on the face to make switching apps easy.

    In my mind for a phone like this I'd rather have the iPhone, at least it has the 8GBs of storage and what looks to be a better interface.

    That said, I won't be getting either, I need a keyboard and will not give up 3G. Now, give me an iPhone Pro with a slide out keyboard and 3G and I may convert, as long as it will sync with exchange.

    Honestly, the iPhone will probably be a big hit with those who buy it. It will do all their music and video and be much simpler to use than most phones out there. People like us know its limitations because we use phones now that surpass them. You can't miss what you never had. I am thinking about getting one for my wife so she doesn't have to carry around her old iPod (1G w/4GB hard drive) and a cell phone. Plus, she already has a blackberry for work to handle her email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
    All valid, and well thought out points, no need for flame retardant suit
    However, I am going to play devils advocate on points 4, and add a note to point 3



    I believe this is exactly what apple was trying to prevent when they initially stated no third part applications.

    Think about it.. many of us use winmo devices, how many times have we had problems, had to do a hard reset, and start installing programs 1 at a time to figure out which program was causing the problem, if it was in fact a third party app that caused the problem.

    Now winmo devices are not exactly marketed to the masses, so the support requirements are much smaller, in many cases the business's own IT department will cover support, and in the other cases (like those of us who use winmo devices for our own use outside of the corporate entity), we would either know how to resolve the issue, or have to call cingular support (assume we bought the device through the telco provider).

    Now we have a device, where every tom **** and harry buys one, and installs 50 random programs they downloaded off the net.. things start going horribly wrong (this is a osx based device, which means unix.. I work in a unix environment, install or compile an application that replaces a dependency, and you have a world of pain as every other application that depended on that dependency no longer works.. this is of course stretching it...)

    But I think I made my point clear here.. I do however not want a device I cannot install stuff on, thats just me though.. I do not ever call vender support
    This is the first time that I have heard someone advocate that lack of choice is a good thing
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    The iPhone is important to all of us WM5/6 users because it opens up the aesthetic aspect of these devices. The user interface will probably be changed on WM7 to be more user friendly and maybe add some more pizazz. WM functionality really cant be beat IMO though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashie
    This is the first time that I have heard someone advocate that lack of choice is a good thing
    I was playing devils advocate there. However, from my own standpoint, it sucks horribly, I do not like to be told what I can and cannot use on my own toys, but from a support standpoint, and I was a support monkey for many years when I first started out, all those variables can make for troubleshooting a real pain in the ***.

    One of the reasons apples platform is stable is that they control what hardware that their OS can be installed on (yes there are hacks to make it work on other systems, but only with a specific subset of hardware). With Windows, because its open in that respect, any device, any peripheral can be used, which results in massive problems when you have to deal with those different drivers, and the support for each of those products.

    Apple is however not immune, there have been plenty of applications that you install on the mac, that have caused issues that needed to be resolved, just like on windows, however the ratio of osx applications to windows applications is about 1 osx application for every 1000 windows applications.

    If its done right, I believe that there should be no problems with 3rd party applications, as long as apple and att do not get greedy (unlikely). Good quality control is what is needed, not the "we don't want x application because we have y application that supports the same function, but we can charge you extra every time you use it.." like the ichat issue, sms vs data..

    I will definately not be purchasing the iphone, atleast not version 1, maybe on the third generation possibly, but I want to see what their competitors come out with

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