• T-Mobile’s 5G Network Launches This Friday



    ... Or at least the first carrier-branded handset that can access it. That handset is Samsung's S10 5G which, without a payment plan, will set you back the princely sum of $1,299 USD. And that's not the only gotcha; from The Verge:

    T-Mobile confirmed to The Verge that the S10 5G will only support mmWave spectrum. It won’t be forward-compatible with the carrier’s planned low- and mid-band frequencies, which is the next phase of its 5G service that will widen its reach to more people.

    The S10 5G is a phone for the state of 5G now, not the future. This isn’t a reason not to buy the phone, but it’s something you should know before plopping down a bunch of cash.
    Here are the six markets where T-Mo's millimeter wave network is already live:

    Atlanta
    Cleveland
    Dallas
    Las Vegas
    Los Angeles
    New York

    From the coverage maps of these cities you can see that 5G availability is extremely limited and, according to The Verge, will only reliably work outdoors.

    Sources: T-Mobile (1) (2) via The Verge

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    Andrew Currie has been blogging about mobile phones since 2001, smartphones (depending on how you define them) since 2002 and smartwatches since 2014.
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    This article was originally published in forum thread: T-Mobile deploys mmW 5G NR in 6 urban cores started by jakeuten View original post
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    1. Volaris's Avatar
      Volaris -
      Here are the mmWave coverage maps for those 6 urban areas:
      https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/ou...-coverage-maps

      This is why carriers need mid-band for 5G.
    1. DRNewcomb's Avatar
      DRNewcomb -
      Quote Originally Posted by Volaris View Post
      Here are the mmWave coverage maps for those 6 urban areas:...
      Methinks those maps optimistic.
    1. cellphone-guy's Avatar
      cellphone-guy -
      I'm glad Tmo always takes care of Vegas (home of the Tmo Arena). But, 5G capable phones are just too expensive right now and coverage probably won't be great at the beginning. I'll wait a year. I don't want to buy a lousy Samsung product either.

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    1. acurrie's Avatar
      acurrie -
      [Putting this thread on the front page...]

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      ... Or at least the first carrier-branded handset that can access it. That handset is Samsung's S10 5G which, without a payment plan, will set you back the princely sum of $1,299 USD. And that's not the only gotcha; from The Verge:

      T-Mobile confirmed to The Verge that the S10 5G will only support mmWave spectrum. It won’t be forward-compatible with the carrier’s planned low- and mid-band frequencies, which is the next phase of its 5G service that will widen its reach to more people.

      The S10 5G is a phone for the state of 5G now, not the future. This isn’t a reason not to buy the phone, but it’s something you should know before plopping down a bunch of cash.
      Here are the six markets where T-Mo's millimeter wave network is already live:

      Atlanta
      Cleveland
      Dallas
      Las Vegas
      Los Angeles
      New York

      From the coverage maps of these cities you can see that 5G availability is extremely limited and, according to The Verge, will only reliably work outdoors.

      Sources: T-Mobile (1) (2) via The Verge
    1. Falcon_73's Avatar
      Falcon_73 -
      Quote Originally Posted by acurrie View Post
      Here are the six markets where T-Mo's millimeter wave network is already live:

      Atlanta
      Cleveland
      Dallas
      Las Vegas
      Los Angeles
      New York

      From the coverage maps of these cities you can see that 5G availability is extremely limited and, according to The Verge, will only reliably work outdoors.

      Sources: T-Mobile (1) (2) via The Verge
      At least these maps are believable, but yes, it looks like only on the streets outside, which is expected in that freq range. Let's hope TMo's approach of Low-Mid-High comes to fruition so we can have a chance at widespread coverage in the US.

      Without the mid-band (~2.5GHz), I am not optimistic that we can rely on the narrow B71 to do much on its own since it's so hard to get anything deployed here in SoCal Suburbia. So, I can't see mmWave getting here any time soon (within 5 years).
    1. SoxFan76's Avatar
      SoxFan76 -
      Quote Originally Posted by cellphone-guy View Post
      I'm glad Tmo always takes care of Vegas (home of the Tmo Arena). But, 5G capable phones are just too expensive right now and coverage probably won't be great at the beginning. I'll wait a year. I don't want to buy a lousy Samsung product either.
      What almost everyone is missing about 5G is that most of the benefits of mmWave, and even some of the benefits of Sprint's 5G don't require a 5G-capable phone. mmWave small cells are drastically densifying the 4G LTE network and pushing fiber farther out, and almost anywhere short of an arena or Times Square that has sites spaced for mmWave will have tons of 4G LTE bandwidth available from those same sites due to density. Further, Sprint's B41 5G is using massive MIMO upgrades to sites that will also speed 4G LTE on B41 way up as well.
    1. Jack Hagar's Avatar
      Jack Hagar -
      Quote Originally Posted by Volaris View Post
      Here are the mmWave coverage maps for those 6 urban areas:
      https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/ou...-coverage-maps

      This is why carriers need mid-band for 5G.
      If carriers just use low and mid band, true unlimited data plans will never exist.
    1. Jack Hagar's Avatar
      Jack Hagar -
      Quote Originally Posted by SoxFan76 View Post
      What almost everyone is missing about 5G is that most of the benefits of mmWave, and even some of the benefits of Sprint's 5G don't require a 5G-capable phone. mmWave small cells are drastically densifying the 4G LTE network and pushing fiber farther out, and almost anywhere short of an arena or Times Square that has sites spaced for mmWave will have tons of 4G LTE bandwidth available from those same sites due to density. Further, Sprint's B41 5G is using massive MIMO upgrades to sites that will also speed 4G LTE on B41 way up as well.
      But all those people using mmwave spectrum are also freeing up LTE spectrum for those that don't have 5G phones
    1. SoxFan76's Avatar
      SoxFan76 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
      But all those people using mmwave spectrum are also freeing up LTE spectrum for those that don't have 5G phones
      Sure, at a large venue, or extremely dense area, like Times Square. Everywhere else, there really isn't a practical difference between 100mbps and 150mbps or even more on speed tests.
    1. cellphone-guy's Avatar
      cellphone-guy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hagar View Post
      But all those people using mmwave spectrum are also freeing up LTE spectrum for those that don't have 5G phones
      Very good point! Everyone can enjoy their $1300 5G phone while I enjoy my $180 4G phone on a less congested network

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    1. CircuitSwitched's Avatar
      CircuitSwitched -
      T-Mobile : “MMWave is total garbage”

      Also T-Mobile :
    1. DRNewcomb's Avatar
      DRNewcomb -
      Quote Originally Posted by CircuitSwitched View Post
      T-Mobile : “MMWave is total garbage”.........
      Only because this is presented as a direct quote, I'll ask you for the source.
    1. jakeuten's Avatar
      jakeuten -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
      Only because this is presented as a direct quote, I'll ask you for the source.
      Is this close enough?

      https://twitter.com/nevilleray/statu...976255488?s=21

      “- No walls, trees, buildings, windows [emoji724][emoji537]
      - LOTS of luck [emoji256]”


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    1. DRNewcomb's Avatar
      DRNewcomb -
      Quote Originally Posted by jakeuten View Post
      Is this close enough?.....
      In other words, that's not what was said.
    1. Falcon_73's Avatar
      Falcon_73 -
      Quote Originally Posted by SoxFan76 View Post
      What almost everyone is missing about 5G is that most of the benefits of mmWave, and even some of the benefits of Sprint's 5G don't require a 5G-capable phone. mmWave small cells are drastically densifying the 4G LTE network and pushing fiber farther out, and almost anywhere short of an arena or Times Square that has sites spaced for mmWave will have tons of 4G LTE bandwidth available from those same sites due to density. Further, Sprint's B41 5G is using massive MIMO upgrades to sites that will also speed 4G LTE on B41 way up as well.
      I hope you are right and that 5G will enable more LTE b/w and sites as it will act as a fiber backhaul over the air. We need much higher density even with low to mid-band LTE.

      And yes, let's get the data hogs onto the mobile 5G so things can improve on LTE. I'm almost thinking of going back to 3G, since LTE is not great in many places around here. But that won't help if my backhaul theory is correct.
    1. CircuitSwitched's Avatar
      CircuitSwitched -
      Quote Originally Posted by DRNewcomb View Post
      In other words, that's not what was said.
      It’s basically the same thing in more professional lingo. That was the tweet I was referring to.
    1. offthegrid's Avatar
      offthegrid -
      Quote Originally Posted by CircuitSwitched View Post
      It’s basically the same thing in more professional lingo. That was the tweet I was referring to.
      When Tmobile was denigrating mmwave there was a thread here about how useless mmwave was. I posted Tmobile was planning on using mmwave in their own network in that thread and pretty much everyone ignored that.

      This was all based on the band 71 claims. But band 71 can't be used for 5G till DSS (dynamic spectrum sharing) is online next year at which point AT&T and Verizon will also have DSS and make use of their low band spectrum also. Carriers barely have enough sub 6ghz spectrum to create a single 100mhz 5G channel ('New' Tmobile will be able to create 2-3 if the merger is approved).

      MMwave in dense metro areas makes sense and that's where everyone is going to roll it out. Once a carrier runs the fiber for the small cell - it's in place forever.
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