• T-Mobile's John Legere Roasts Verizon's 5G Home Service Launch









    It's been a year or so since we've seen this side of John. I must say it cracked me up a little.

    T-Mobile CEO John Legere was not impressed with Verizon's 5G Home Service Launch, unleashing tweet after tweet roasting the Big Red mobile giant on Monday.

    Reading through the lines T-Mobile is subtly letting America know it will launch its 5G NR service based on industry standards, that it will be mobile and available to a much larger audience.

    In fact T-Mobile plans to launch presumably the nation's largest 5G NR network in roughly 30 cities by years end using mmWave and low band spectrum albeit without any 5G capable device until early next year. Plus when combined with Sprint they will have access to Sprint's vast 120 MHz of 2.5 GHz spectrum covering 90% of the top 100 US markets that will allow them to build a 5G network that is the envy of everyone.

    I doubt Verizon's leadership is amused and we'll likely see their comeback response later today. Still it's nice to see a little bit of that antagonistic Uncarrier spirit that put T-Mobile US on the map and on the industry's radar!

    Let's have a sense of humor and keep this thread fun and friendly.



    https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/statu...first-right%2F

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/1...llas-las-vegas
    This article was originally published in forum thread: T-Mobile's John Legere Roasts Verizon's 5G Home Service Launch started by @TheRealDanny View original post
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    1. thotguy31's Avatar
      thotguy31 -
      Quote Originally Posted by @TheRealDanny View Post
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      It's been a year or so since we've seen this side of John. I must say it cracked me up a little. [emoji38]

      T-Mobile CEO John Legere was not impressed with Verizon's 5G Home Service Launch, unleashing tweet after tweet roasting the Big Red mobile giant on Monday.

      Reading through the lines T-Mobile is subtly letting America know it will launch its 5G NR service based on industry standards, that it will be mobile and available to a much larger audience. In fact T-Mobile plans to launch presumably the nation's largest 5G NR network in roughly 30 cities by years end using mmWave and low band spectrum albeit without any 5G capable device until early next year.

      I doubt Verizon's leadership is amused and we'll likely see their comeback response later today. Still it's nice to see a little bit of that antagonistic Uncarrier spirit that put T-Mobile US on the map and on the industry's radar!

      Let's have a sense of humor and keep this thread fun and friendly. [emoji14]



      https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/statu...first-right%2F

      https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/1...llas-las-vegas
      He can say that all he wants. He is forgetting his network still doesn't cover what VZW does, so there is that

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    1. Guest597's Avatar
      Guest597 -
      I'm having major capacity issues with TMobile now so that seems to be their trouble spot. I'm happy with coverage but even after low band and mid band upgrades it still wasn't enough.

      Capacity seems to be the name of the game these days
    1. thotguy31's Avatar
      thotguy31 -
      Quote Originally Posted by themanhimself View Post
      I'm having major capacity issues with TMobile now so that seems to be their trouble spot. I'm happy with coverage but even after low band and mid band upgrades it still wasn't enough.
      Right now the only way TMO can speed up is to densify Yes B71 will help as well 4x4 mimo 256 QAM. They still need to densify

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    1. Guest597's Avatar
      Guest597 -
      Quote Originally Posted by thotguy31 View Post
      Right now the only way TMO can speed up is to densify Yes B71 will help as well 4x4 mimo 256 QAM. They still need to densify

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      I think TMobile will get there it will most likely be later than they acted like originally.

      I wish the sprint deal would be decided now so they can really know what their plans need to be.

      Hopefully they treat it business as usual until they find out for sure

      I've downsized like crazy with TMobile due to the call issues so there's nothing left for me to cut back on. My att and Verizon lines aren't perfect but they definitely arent having as many capacity issues as my tmobile line is

      To tmobiles credit they seem to be addressing things but it won't happen over night
    1. DRNewcomb's Avatar
      DRNewcomb -
      Quote Originally Posted by thotguy31 View Post
      Right now the only way TMO can speed up is to densify Yes B71 will help as well 4x4 mimo 256 QAM. They still need to densify.
      In many urban markets T-Mobile has sites spaced less than 500 meters apart. Not exactly sure how you "densify" that, particularly without high band.
    1. james4209's Avatar
      james4209 -
      And where is T-Mobile's 5G Home Service?

      What a troll.
    1. shilohcane's Avatar
      shilohcane -
      Quote Originally Posted by james4209 View Post
      And where is T-Mobile's 5G Home Service?

      What a troll.
      T-Mobile wasn't going to do home service until the Merger with Sprint came up that would give them the extra spectrum in Band 41. In one of the next few FCC mmWave spectrum auction.
    1. james4209's Avatar
      james4209 -
      Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
      T-Mobile wasn't going to do home service until the Merger with Sprint came up that would give them the extra spectrum in Band 41. In one of the next few FCC mmWave spectrum auction.
      Right, so where is it?

      Right now Verizon has 5G Home Service today (albeit in select areas). T-Mobile has nothing more than lip service at this point, hence my comment.
    1. p6B5Nm5b's Avatar
      p6B5Nm5b -
      Quote Originally Posted by thotguy31 View Post
      He can say that all he wants. He is forgetting his network still doesn't cover what VZW does, so there is that

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      I think heís happy letting Verizon have the low profit fly over areas?


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    1. p6B5Nm5b's Avatar
      p6B5Nm5b -
      Quote Originally Posted by themanhimself View Post
      I'm having major capacity issues with TMobile now so that seems to be their trouble spot. I'm happy with coverage but even after low band and mid band upgrades it still wasn't enough.

      Capacity seems to be the name of the game these days
      Iím in the densest markets in the US (LA/NY) and I havenít had any capacity issues. Are you in a rural area?


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    1. Guest597's Avatar
      Guest597 -
      Quote Originally Posted by p6B5Nm5b View Post
      Iím in the densest markets in the US (LA/NY) and I havenít had any capacity issues. Are you in a rural area?


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      It's mostly in the populated areas. Sometimes text can't send out and calls don't ring on my end. It should get better as more spectrum gets deployed
    1. p6B5Nm5b's Avatar
      p6B5Nm5b -
      Quote Originally Posted by themanhimself View Post
      It's mostly in the populated areas. Sometimes text can't send out and calls don't ring on my end. It should get better as more spectrum gets deployed
      Iím curious where? Have you called Tmo? I wonder if itís your device?


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    1. Guest597's Avatar
      Guest597 -
      Quote Originally Posted by p6B5Nm5b View Post
      Iím curious where? Have you called Tmo? I wonder if itís your device?


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      I'm in va beach a lot and central nc mostly

      Seems really hit or miss in va beach

      Have a few different phones and same issue
    1. p6B5Nm5b's Avatar
      p6B5Nm5b -
      Quote Originally Posted by themanhimself View Post
      I'm in va beach a lot and central nc mostly

      Seems really hit or miss in va beach

      Have a few different phones and same issue
      I donít know that area but it definitely shouldnít have a ďcapacityĒ issue. Iíd call them or try another device.


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    1. @TheRealDanny's Avatar
      @TheRealDanny -
      Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
      T-Mobile wasn't going to do home service until the Merger with Sprint came up that would give them the extra spectrum in Band 41. In one of the next few FCC mmWave spectrum auction.
      Yep. I'm more than positive that the 120 MHz of Band 41 that covers 90% of the top 100 US markets will do some wonders for 5G NR.
    1. shilohcane's Avatar
      shilohcane -
      Quote Originally Posted by james4209 View Post
      Right, so where is it?

      Right now Verizon has 5G Home Service today (albeit in select areas). T-Mobile has nothing more than lip service at this point, hence my comment.
      The merger with Sprint hasn't been approved yet. Without that extra Sprint spectrum T-Mobile isn't going to make a big WISP play. What is your point? Over 99 percent of the people in the USA do NOT have access to Verizon's WISP. If you come to brag about how great that Verizon WISP offering we can all laugh now.
    1. eddiehaskell's Avatar
      eddiehaskell -
      Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
      The merger with Sprint hasn't been approved yet. Without that extra Sprint spectrum T-Mobile isn't going to make a big WISP play. What is your point? Over 99 percent of the people in the USA do NOT have access to Verizon's WISP. If you come to brag about how great that Verizon WISP offering we can all laugh now.
      It means TMobile needs a backup plan just in case sprint doesn't work out
    1. shilohcane's Avatar
      shilohcane -
      Quote Originally Posted by @TheRealDanny View Post
      Yep. I'm more than positive that the 120 MHz of Band 41 that covers 90% of the top 100 US markets will do some wonders for 5G NR.
      I agree for 5G NR in Mobile that Band 41 is The King Spectrum. I'm not sure if Sprint's 2.5 Ghz is the answer for WISP. It worked for Clearwire but they didn't have a lot of customers so they didn't have to scale. Also, Clearwire didn't have 4K HD TV sets in most living rooms. However, I'm not a expert but I read about issues with that with Sprint's Band 41. Go to Spectrum Gateway's Map and check out how few contiguous multiple blocks that Sprint owns by clicking on all BRS blocks on the right side. That Band 41 still covers a lot of distances but it doesn't have a lot of contiguous blocks that gives you the speed for 4K HD TV that you get with the mmWave with 100 Mhz wide contiguous blocks. Maybe, it was just political talk but I remember T-Mobile CTO Neville Ray say that Sprint's Band 41 isn't going to work for TV distribution back when T-Mobile wasn't going to build home WISP. mmWave with it smaller coverage can be diversified better with contiguous blocks for WISP than Sprint's 2.5Ghz.

      Then again we are also getting 3.5 Ghz CPRS spectrum and some more FCC mmWave Spectrum auctions. These new FCC spectrum auctions are going to attack a lot more buyers since the Cable companies see their ISP as the major anchor for customers. Cable is going to come hard at WISP by trying to buy spectrum to save the Holy Grail of revenue of ISP with WISP. If T-Mobile is going into a fight with AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Charter and many more ISP providers there is going to the easiest win to go for the rural WISP markets where there is less competition from the Mega Corporations.
    1. thotguy31's Avatar
      thotguy31 -
      Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
      Well I'm not sure if Sprint's 2.5 Ghz is the answer for WISP. It worked for Clearwire but they didn't have a lot of customers so they didn't have to scale. However, I'm not a expert but I read about issues with that with Sprint's Band 41. Go to Spectrum Gateway's Map and check out how few contiguous multiple blocks that Sprint owns by clicking on all BRS blocks on the right side. That Band 41 still covers a lot of distances but it doesn't have a lot of contiguous blocks that gives you the speed for 4K HD TV that you get with the mmWave. mmWave with it smaller coverage can be diversified better with contiguous blocks for WISP than Sprint's 2.5Ghz.

      Then again we are also getting 3.5 Ghz CPRS spectrum and some more FCC mmWave Spectrum auctions. These new FCC spectrum auctions are going to attack a lot more buyers since the Cable companies see their ISP as the major anchor for customers. Cable is going to come hard at WISP by trying to buy spectrum to save the Holy Grail of revenue of ISP with WISP. If T-Mobile is going into a fight with AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Charter and many more ISP providers there is going to the easiest win to go for the rural WISP markets where there is less competition from the Mega Corporations.
      How so B41 is 20mhz per carrier. The have 120-160 mhz of spectrum that TMO would love

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    1. james4209's Avatar
      james4209 -
      Quote Originally Posted by shilohcane View Post
      The merger with Sprint hasn't been approved yet. Without that extra Sprint spectrum T-Mobile isn't going to make a big WISP play. What is your point? Over 99 percent of the people in the USA do NOT have access to Verizon's WISP. If you come to brag about how great that Verizon WISP offering we can all laugh now.
      So as have I stated very clearly T-Mobile's WISP plans as of today are still fairy dust while Verizon has already begun deploying theirs. I also stated that I am aware that the Verizon solution is only offered in a select few markets while T-Mobile stills offers nothing in this department.

      John Legere's counter offer to Verizon's WISP is trashing a service that they may or may not even deploy depending on the outcome of the Sprint Merger instead of offering an actual competitive product.

      Typical T-Mobile trash talk with zero substance to back it up.
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