• OpenSignal: Freedom Faster than Rogers in Downtown Toronto



    Yesterday OpenSignal released a new State of Mobile Networks Report: Canada, for the testing period from October 1st to December 30th, 2017. Telus is the big winner overall, with the best scores in three of OpenSignal's six categories, and tying the other Big Three carriers in the remaining three.

    Telus users are welcome to gloat in this thread. What I'd like to draw your attention to are some regional results, where you'll find the only mention of this country's upstart operators:

    Canada's operators large and small also made impressive showings in our Montreal and Toronto speed tests. Bell's 4G speed score in both cities topped 45 Mbps. Meanwhile in Montreal, Rogers and regional operator Vidéotron both averaged LTE downloads of about 30 Mbps in our measurements. In Toronto we found Freedom Mobile's new 4G service averaged speeds of 35.5 Mbps, while Rogers's average download was 27.2 Mbps.
    In my own informal testing using my dual-SIM phone I've come to the same conclusion. There are, of course, some caveats with Freedom's service (like the outage earlier this week), but I don't think FM could have bested Rogers in anything a year or two ago; I say we take whatever small victories we can get!

    Source: OpenSignal

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    Comments 6 Comments
    1. Jonavin's Avatar
      Jonavin -
      During the first year of WINDMobile’s launch I was getting 7mbps consistently for many months, but it’s probably because I was one of few users who had devices capable of those speeds. That doesn’t. Let’s see how fast Freedom is after a year or two when most of their users are on LTE.
    1. Mr.Peppermint's Avatar
      Mr.Peppermint -
      I'd argue many people have jumped to LTE simply to purchase the iPhone 8 promo
      And for low cost Freedom has been giving away phones such as Sony XA1

      They certainly have more activations in last quarter than last couple of years
      The only ones who may still have stuck on AWS are the people on grandfather plans who do not want to pay out of pocket for a new phone

      I would be sincerely surprised if not at least half their install base is not on LTE at this time
    1. qag01's Avatar
      qag01 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jonavin View Post
      During the first year of WINDMobile’s launch I was getting 7mbps consistently for many months, but it’s probably because I was one of few users who had devices capable of those speeds. That doesn’t. Let’s see how fast Freedom is after a year or two when most of their users are on LTE.
      LTE is much more efficient than HSPA, plus they now also have AWS3, BRS, and 700mhz licenses. They have much more spectrum for AWS3 alone than they had AWS back in 2009, too

      Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using HoFo mobile app
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
      I'd argue many people have jumped to LTE simply to purchase the iPhone 8 promo
      And for low cost Freedom has been giving away phones such as Sony XA1

      They certainly have more activations in last quarter than last couple of years
      The only ones who may still have stuck on AWS are the people on grandfather plans who do not want to pay out of pocket for a new phone

      I would be sincerely surprised if not at least half their install base is not on LTE at this time
      I already was on an iPhone when I was with Freedom/Wind. I switched out the SIM Card as soon as the spectrum was transferred from Videotron to Shaw, and changed my plan. I don't need a new phone however, but I am planning to get an iPhone 8 Plus so I can put the 6S Plus on backup. It's not because of what you stated. Or that the 8 Plus has Band 66.

      And remember I live in Toronto. I live in an area with Band 7 LTE. Where I work is still on Band 4 UMTS. So that part is not on LTE yet. The only way you'll get LTE in Toronto is if you have a Band 66 phone, or have a "legacy" device capable of getting Band 7 LTE. But that's Toronto only. Not anywhere else as far as I know.

      All plans were upgraded to LTE. And Toronto is not subject to the Band 4+66 aggregation, because that definitely will not work here. Out in the burbs, it might. Here? No way.
    1. Mr.Peppermint's Avatar
      Mr.Peppermint -
      @Driver8666 my point was its the iPhone effect
      Back in the day Bell/Telus claimed getting Apple to play ball would result in huge increases in numbers (which it did)
      Then Wind had the refurb iPhones (lightly loved) which sold well but had issues with other carriers
      Now Freedom launched iPhone officially and look out (I never saw lines at a Freedom/Wind kiosk before Christmas season when it got crazy busy)
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
      @Driver8666 my point was its the iPhone effect
      Back in the day Bell/Telus claimed getting Apple to play ball would result in huge increases in numbers (which it did)
      Then Wind had the refurb iPhones (lightly loved) which sold well but had issues with other carriers
      Now Freedom launched iPhone officially and look out (I never saw lines at a Freedom/Wind kiosk before Christmas season when it got crazy busy)
      Freedom only catered to the Droid users here (I keep one as a backup, because it's going to be difficult to move my parents to iPhones), and watched at least maybe 40% of the market walk by. My iPhone, before and after Shaw signed with Apple worked flawlessly. It still does. I don't know if Freedom still uses "dummy" phones, but I'm damned sure with the iPhone the Master Agreement prohibits this.

      Any carrier signing a deal with Apple is a smart move. But with "Lightly Loved" I'm sure the Master Agreement prohibits this, and phones have to be sent back to Apple for refurbishment.

      Shaw signing a deal with Apple was a smart move. It would eventually have to happen, and with people that brought their own devices if Freedom launches VoWiFi, it has to work on all Apple Devices. Not the ones just purchased from Freedom. Plus we just get Carrier Updates and never have to tinker with the settings as it's all done for us. My guess is that Apple approved the network because of Band 7. I did say before that signing an agreement with Apple would benefit both Android and Apple users on "legacy" devices and I was right. If Freedom didn't have Band 7, then the network would not get approved. Whether they could've gotten away with Band 4 LTE, remains to be seen, but now that's no longer an option. But for now as we all know Band 7 is only limited to Toronto, and that's if you live in a "hood" that has it. So if you live here, you either get Band 7 LTE speeds or Band 66. Not Band 4+7 or 4+66 or 7+66 (as far as I know. I've been able to pull 40/17 just on Band 7 alone).

      Nowadays not signing an agreement with Apple is plain stupid. Apple might be brutally strict about it's rules, but it does have tangible benefits.